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Practiced again tonight, and apparently I haven’t yet plateaued with autoflex. I’m continuing to see gains over my last session, and just generally getting more comfortable swinging it.

Something else that is helping is that I’m trying to commit to a single shot shape, a fade. Mostly because I favor the heel so much on my strikes, but even when centered if my club path is left the ball seems to always fade.

Hit about 40 shots, but forgot to generate a report (doh) so I went back in and hit these 11. Not my best of the night, but still seeing gains from my last session. Full report here.

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  • Club Speed: +3.6mph
  • Ball Speed: +6.9mph
  • Carry: +12.6yds
  • Total: +11.9yds

Heading out of town this weekend, but hoping to have my first impressions up later this weekend. 

Driver : :callaway-small:Rogue ST Max LS, 10.5° loft, MCA TENSEI AV White 65g, Stiff flex (45")
3-Wood: :callaway-small:Rogue ST LS, 15° loft, MCA TENSEI AV Blue 65g, Reg flex (42.25", tipped 0.5")
3-Utility: :Sub70:699 Pro V2 Utility Satin, 18° loft, :projectx:HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 80g, 6.0 flex
Irons: :titleist-small:T200 6i-GW, 27°-48° lofts, Nippon Modus3 120g, Stiff flex (+0.5”, 1° upright)
Wedges: Indi FLX S-Grind, 52°/56°/60° lofts, Dynamic Gold Spinner 115g, Wedge flex
Putter: :cobra-small:King Vintage Sport 60, SteelFiber P125 shaft (34"), :garsen:Quad Tour Taper grip
Bag: :cobra-small:Ultralight Pro, Ski Patrol/Black
Push Cart: :BagBoy:Nitron, Black/Red
Rangefinder: Bushnell Tour V5 Shift
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9 hours ago, BallsLeon said:

Practiced again tonight, and apparently I haven’t yet plateaued with autoflex. I’m continuing to see gains over my last session, and just generally getting more comfortable swinging it.

Something else that is helping is that I’m trying to commit to a single shot shape, a fade. Mostly because I favor the heel so much on my strikes, but even when centered if my club path is left the ball seems to always fade.

Hit about 40 shots, but forgot to generate a report (doh) so I went back in and hit these 11. Not my best of the night, but still seeing gains from my last session. Full report here.

IMG_2568.jpeg.f74c2fc4aa1f5fc5d0c7a96104178e40.jpegIMG_2563.jpeg.64bc2f1214c8a831d2ee299350033627.jpeg

  • Club Speed: +3.6mph
  • Ball Speed: +6.9mph
  • Carry: +12.6yds
  • Total: +11.9yds

Heading out of town this weekend, but hoping to have my first impressions up later this weekend. 

Love to see those gains! At that club speed I'd expect to see way more carry, but you mentioned before spin has been an issue. Interested to see how much distance you can gain if you keep lowering that spin. Also, I wonder if getting the swing weight up a point or two would help with ball speed? 

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6 minutes ago, Nick_D said:

Love to see those gains! At that club speed I'd expect to see way more carry, but you mentioned before spin has been an issue. Interested to see how much distance you can gain if you keep lowering that spin. Also, I wonder if getting the swing weight up a point or two would help with ball speed? 

I believe this is all due to where I'm striking the ball on the face. This is the heat map of my impact location from last night (20 balls prior to the report I shared):
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You can see I really like that high heel location. I did manage at least one off the center of the face last night for 252yds carry, 271yds total, and 152mph ball speed. For that shot the spin was sub 3k, which I think is more the range I want to be in.

As far as swing weight, at 46" I believe I am currently at D1 swing weight, but autoFlex actually recommends lower. I still want to take 0.25-0.5" off the driver, and that should take me to D0-D0.5 range. At full length I feel like I can sense a slight sag of the driver head, and hope shortening it some might improve my attack angle.

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Driver : :callaway-small:Rogue ST Max LS, 10.5° loft, MCA TENSEI AV White 65g, Stiff flex (45")
3-Wood: :callaway-small:Rogue ST LS, 15° loft, MCA TENSEI AV Blue 65g, Reg flex (42.25", tipped 0.5")
3-Utility: :Sub70:699 Pro V2 Utility Satin, 18° loft, :projectx:HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 80g, 6.0 flex
Irons: :titleist-small:T200 6i-GW, 27°-48° lofts, Nippon Modus3 120g, Stiff flex (+0.5”, 1° upright)
Wedges: Indi FLX S-Grind, 52°/56°/60° lofts, Dynamic Gold Spinner 115g, Wedge flex
Putter: :cobra-small:King Vintage Sport 60, SteelFiber P125 shaft (34"), :garsen:Quad Tour Taper grip
Bag: :cobra-small:Ultralight Pro, Ski Patrol/Black
Push Cart: :BagBoy:Nitron, Black/Red
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10 hours ago, BallsLeon said:

Practiced again tonight, and apparently I haven’t yet plateaued with autoflex. I’m continuing to see gains over my last session, and just generally getting more comfortable swinging it.

Something else that is helping is that I’m trying to commit to a single shot shape, a fade. Mostly because I favor the heel so much on my strikes, but even when centered if my club path is left the ball seems to always fade.

Hit about 40 shots, but forgot to generate a report (doh) so I went back in and hit these 11. Not my best of the night, but still seeing gains from my last session. Full report here.

IMG_2568.jpeg.f74c2fc4aa1f5fc5d0c7a96104178e40.jpegIMG_2563.jpeg.64bc2f1214c8a831d2ee299350033627.jpeg

  • Club Speed: +3.6mph
  • Ball Speed: +6.9mph
  • Carry: +12.6yds
  • Total: +11.9yds

Heading out of town this weekend, but hoping to have my first impressions up later this weekend. 

that spin is killing you.  launch angle seems good enough, and with your AoA have you considered dropping the loft down on your driver?

You swing around what I do and my numbers are higher (my spin stays around 2400 somehow).

My A0A is 3-6* usually though so im hitting a 9* turned down from its stock 10.5*.

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3W - StealthHL 16.5°

3h - Sim2max 19°

irons - Sim2OS kbsmax85mt steel shafts reg flex 5i-Aw

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26 minutes ago, BallsLeon said:

I believe this is all due to where I'm striking the ball on the face. This is the heat map of my impact location from last night (20 balls prior to the report I shared):
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You can see I really like that high heel location. I did manage at least one off the center of the face last night for 252yds carry, 271yds total, and 152mph ball speed. For that shot the spin was sub 3k, which I think is more the range I want to be in.

As far as swing weight, at 46" I believe I am currently at D1 swing weight, but autoFlex actually recommends lower. I still want to take 0.25-0.5" off the driver, and that should take me to D0-D0.5 range. At full length I feel like I can sense a slight sag of the driver head, and hope shortening it some might improve my attack angle.

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Oh yeah if you can get that strike more consistently out of the center, or even high toe you're going to be hitting BOMBS

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1 hour ago, ZMendle10 said:

Took the Dream 7 onto the course yesterday and man was it a good day. I played at Mattawang Golf Club and was the only one out there so I was able to take my time and collect some quality data while moving along. 

I was absolutely striping it on the range and was seeing a penetrating mid to high ball flight with some impressive numbers. With club head being around 117-119 and ball speed easily over 170 with range balls i was excited to get to the first tee where I immediately duck hooked two balls OB left 

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Ignoring those two drives my third one was passable and we were on our way. Overall it was a good day off the tee with the back 9 really coming alive. Last 3 holes my drives were 323, 294, and 324 all plenty straight with a wonderfully high flight. Arccos was in full swing so we have strokes gained data which was surprisingly good for how iffy I felt like I drove the ball.

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There were a few wayward shots that I was able to get away with because of the distance but on the last 3 holes I finished with 3 tap in pars with drives of 323, 294, and 326 yards. The more comfortable I get with this shaft the more it is starting to work it's way into the bag and I am really starting to like the additional height. Typically I prefer a more piercing flight but I with the additional distance provided by the carry the additional height is welcomed. 

I also recorded both ball speed and club speed for each drive with the PRGR launch monitor and aside from 2 bad swings the club head speed and ball speed was still comparable to what I was seeing on Trackman.

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Final averages on course will be shown in Final Review but this is just a small sample of what's to come.

I'm loving all this data. There's nothing wrong with high bombs! Within reason I guess. Funny how you get the 1.5 smash factor on the one swing with "bad setup". 

That PRGR launch monitor is turning out to be super handy for you (and us for following along). That's great you had the course to yourself and could collect data along the way. Is it fairly easy to use the PRGR on shots? I've seen Youtubers that video every shot with a tripod and their phone, and they have it down well enough that it doesn't bother random playing partners. That's cool if you can do that with a launch monitor.

Also, awesome that you were getting good ball speed on the range (with range balls) that matches on-course numbers. You've got data from enough different situations here to remove uncertainty for things like that. 

Driver: ping.png.006bacb76d65413e66b9c8eb1b47f592.png G400 LST 8.5°

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14 minutes ago, skraeling said:

that spin is killing you.  launch angle seems good enough, and with your AoA have you considered dropping the loft down on your driver?

You swing around what I do and my numbers are higher (my spin stays around 2400 somehow).

My A0A is 3-6* usually though so im hitting a 9* turned down from its stock 10.5*.

I haven't experienced much with lofting down on the driver yet, but something I should mess with. My only concern would be opening the face even more could make the slice even slicier lol.

One thing is for sure, I am switching balls. Been playing the Maxfli Tour X, and I no longer need the extra spin.

Driver : :callaway-small:Rogue ST Max LS, 10.5° loft, MCA TENSEI AV White 65g, Stiff flex (45")
3-Wood: :callaway-small:Rogue ST LS, 15° loft, MCA TENSEI AV Blue 65g, Reg flex (42.25", tipped 0.5")
3-Utility: :Sub70:699 Pro V2 Utility Satin, 18° loft, :projectx:HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 80g, 6.0 flex
Irons: :titleist-small:T200 6i-GW, 27°-48° lofts, Nippon Modus3 120g, Stiff flex (+0.5”, 1° upright)
Wedges: Indi FLX S-Grind, 52°/56°/60° lofts, Dynamic Gold Spinner 115g, Wedge flex
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37 minutes ago, BallsLeon said:

I believe this is all due to where I'm striking the ball on the face. This is the heat map of my impact location from last night (20 balls prior to the report I shared):
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You can see I really like that high heel location. I did manage at least one off the center of the face last night for 252yds carry, 271yds total, and 152mph ball speed. For that shot the spin was sub 3k, which I think is more the range I want to be in.

As far as swing weight, at 46" I believe I am currently at D1 swing weight, but autoFlex actually recommends lower. I still want to take 0.25-0.5" off the driver, and that should take me to D0-D0.5 range. At full length I feel like I can sense a slight sag of the driver head, and hope shortening it some might improve my attack angle.

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Yeah, heel strikes just plain suck. That's pretty tight to the hosel too. If it were the same 26mm distance on the toe it would be better. Definitely try changing stuff up with the club setup. I guess you could try hitting off the toe, line up at the toe as well. I've been told that's natural because if you're at address and lift the club up to ball height on the tee, it naturally goes out, and that's where it might be when you come through on your downswing. Ok, but I've done fine the other way, lol. Anyway, ideally you wouldn't change your swing for a new club if it was working for you before. You would adjust the club setup on a new club. I'm no fitting expert here though. This is what I've gleaned from MGS, Youtube, my fittings, etc.

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6 minutes ago, BallsLeon said:

I haven't experienced much with lofting down on the driver yet, but something I should mess with. My only concern would be opening the face even more could make the slice even slicier lol.

One thing is for sure, I am switching balls. Been playing the Maxfli Tour X, and I no longer need the extra spin.

Yeah I had to open my face a lot, but I think your fade is just quite a bit where its being hit.  Your face is pretty closed, my miss is a hook left if i screw up haha.  I think you should try it for a session.  I never thought I would be a 9* head because the old adage was always... you need loft.

Also I am NO expert at all.  Just went off what my fitting entailed.  Your mileage as always... may vary.

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wedgies - Jaws MD5 52°-10° (Bounce) S Grind

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3 minutes ago, HikingMike said:

Yeah, heel strikes just plain suck. That's pretty tight to the hosel too. If it were the same 26mm distance on the toe it would be better. Definitely try changing stuff up with the club setup. I guess you could try hitting off the toe, line up at the toe as well. I've been told that's natural because if you're at address and lift the club up to ball height on the tee, it naturally goes out, and that's where it might be when you come through on your downswing. Ok, but I've done fine the other way, lol. Anyway, ideally you wouldn't change your swing for a new club if it was working for you before. You would adjust the club setup on a new club. I'm no fitting expert here though. This is what I've gleaned from MGS, Youtube, my fittings, etc.

Me debating if my driver was "working" before 😂 Driver is definitely my biggest weakness, and the strike pattern is fairly similar to what I've seen with my previous shafts. Need to go back, and get better baseline data for comparison with those shafts.

Definitely a work in progress 🚧, but making steps in the right direction (literally with those heel strikes).

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3-Wood: :callaway-small:Rogue ST LS, 15° loft, MCA TENSEI AV Blue 65g, Reg flex (42.25", tipped 0.5")
3-Utility: :Sub70:699 Pro V2 Utility Satin, 18° loft, :projectx:HZRDUS Smoke Black RDX 80g, 6.0 flex
Irons: :titleist-small:T200 6i-GW, 27°-48° lofts, Nippon Modus3 120g, Stiff flex (+0.5”, 1° upright)
Wedges: Indi FLX S-Grind, 52°/56°/60° lofts, Dynamic Gold Spinner 115g, Wedge flex
Putter: :cobra-small:King Vintage Sport 60, SteelFiber P125 shaft (34"), :garsen:Quad Tour Taper grip
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10 minutes ago, BallsLeon said:

Me debating if my driver was "working" before 😂 Driver is definitely my biggest weakness, and the strike pattern is fairly similar to what I've seen with my previous shafts. Need to go back, and get better baseline data for comparison with those shafts.

Definitely a work in progress 🚧, but making steps in the right direction (literally with those heel strikes).

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Haha, one of the bests gifs around. 

Welp, everything is on the table then 🤷‍♂️ 😀 I remember I was hitting off the heel for a while at my first fitting this year in January, peak rustiness basically. Now I can usually hit it pretty solid, but my driver problem is left/right. 

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Driver: ping.png.006bacb76d65413e66b9c8eb1b47f592.png G400 LST 8.5°

3W: cobra2.png.60653951979ca617ca859530a17d0a2d.png King Speedzone

Irons: ping.png.006bacb76d65413e66b9c8eb1b47f592.png i200 (3 thru PW & UW)

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1 hour ago, HikingMike said:

I'm loving all this data. There's nothing wrong with high bombs! Within reason I guess. Funny how you get the 1.5 smash factor on the one swing with "bad setup". 

That PRGR launch monitor is turning out to be super handy for you (and us for following along). That's great you had the course to yourself and could collect data along the way. Is it fairly easy to use the PRGR on shots? I've seen Youtubers that video every shot with a tripod and their phone, and they have it down well enough that it doesn't bother random playing partners. That's cool if you can do that with a launch monitor.

Also, awesome that you were getting good ball speed on the range (with range balls) that matches on-course numbers. You've got data from enough different situations here to remove uncertainty for things like that. 

The "bad setup" was more a reference to the PRGR setup as I probably didn't have it setup exactly down the line i intended to swing on. When this happens the ball speed is still accurate however the club head speed seems to be off by a few mph. 

It's also super easy to setup and maybe adds 30 seconds to my setup. I tee the ball up, set the driver down on my intended line behind the ball, place the PRGR at the butt end of the grip on that line, and then swing away. It's a fairly quick process and would argue that people who take practice swings have a longer pre-shot routine. 

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12 hours ago, BallsLeon said:

Practiced again tonight, and apparently I haven’t yet plateaued with autoflex. I’m continuing to see gains over my last session, and just generally getting more comfortable swinging it.

Something else that is helping is that I’m trying to commit to a single shot shape, a fade. Mostly because I favor the heel so much on my strikes, but even when centered if my club path is left the ball seems to always fade.

Hit about 40 shots, but forgot to generate a report (doh) so I went back in and hit these 11. Not my best of the night, but still seeing gains from my last session. Full report here.

IMG_2568.jpeg.f74c2fc4aa1f5fc5d0c7a96104178e40.jpegIMG_2563.jpeg.64bc2f1214c8a831d2ee299350033627.jpeg

  • Club Speed: +3.6mph
  • Ball Speed: +6.9mph
  • Carry: +12.6yds
  • Total: +11.9yds

Heading out of town this weekend, but hoping to have my first impressions up later this weekend. 

Came here to ask about spin on your old driver then saw all the discussion 🙂

One thing I would recommend is using some Dr Scholl's foot spray and playing around with where you line the driver up. I used to be a heel hitter too, then realized as others have said that because the driver is teed so much higher, you need to hover the club so the sweetspot is lined up with the ball, then let it drop down to the ground to find appropriate alignment. 

You may also want to experiment a bit with both ball position (nothing crazy here - one or two balls back or forward) and tee height to see if you can shift your heatmap closer to slightly high and slightly toe. As my fitter refers to it, low heel is the "quadrant of death".

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12 minutes ago, Rearviewmirror said:

Came here to ask about spin on your old driver then saw all the discussion 🙂

One thing I would recommend is using some Dr Scholl's foot spray and playing around with where you line the driver up. I used to be a heel hitter too, then realized as others have said that because the driver is teed so much higher, you need to hover the club so the sweetspot is lined up with the ball, then let it drop down to the ground to find appropriate alignment. 

You may also want to experiment a bit with both ball position (nothing crazy here - one or two balls back or forward) and tee height to see if you can shift your heatmap closer to slightly high and slightly toe. As my fitter refers to it, low heel is the "quadrant of death".

Absolutely on the foot spray, I have some and need to bring it with me next time. Not sure how accurate the Trackman impact data is to begin with so would be good to get a second source of information to see if it lines up.

I also appreciate all the advice/tips everyone is sharing. Have some experimenting to do, and plenty of work to do on recent lessons to ingrain better mechanics.

All that said, I think it's becoming clear that the autoFlex is definitely creating some more horsepower in my swing, compared to this baseline session with my old shaft. Plan to make a Trackman report here soon comparing the shafts that will be much easier to read/compare.

 

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36 minutes ago, BallsLeon said:

Absolutely on the foot spray, I have some and need to bring it with me next time. Not sure how accurate the Trackman impact data is to begin with so would be good to get a second source of information to see if it lines up.

I also appreciate all the advice/tips everyone is sharing. Have some experimenting to do, and plenty of work to do on recent lessons to ingrain better mechanics.

All that said, I think it's becoming clear that the autoFlex is definitely creating some more horsepower in my swing, compared to this baseline session with my old shaft. Plan to make a Trackman report here soon comparing the shafts that will be much easier to read/compare.

This very low quality video explains what I'm talking about - apologies if everybody already knows this!

 

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This is great everyone and love seeing all the numbers as everyone gives this a go. Also @ZMendle10 that speed is sweet. 324 is an absolute bomb.

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@Autoflexusa I was looking on the Autoflex site and saw there is a new Joy 365 shaft as well. Any insight on the difference between the two?

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1 hour ago, Rearviewmirror said:

This very low quality video explains what I'm talking about - apologies if everybody already knows this!

Yup, that's a good video. I had never thought about this until a fitting early this year. It also depends on arm extension. Are your arms extended about the same at impact as they are at address? Hands in front of the ball at all, even, or behind? That kind of thing. Plenty of variables. But it can be helpful and it's definitely a good thing to know! It's different from un-teed shots.

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On 5/8/2024 at 1:12 PM, chisag said:

 

... I am reminded of the Friends episode when Monica was in high school and very over weight and they were watching a video of the Prom and Monica said she wasn't that big, the camera adds 10 lbs and Chandler replied "How many cameras were on you?" 🤣

I loved that scene, one of my most favorite of all time.  

21 hours ago, Rearviewmirror said:

FWIW - Kevin Kraft is my fitter, and he's likely going to game the OG Autoflex this year. I'm sure he'd be open to playing one 🙂 Hit me up if you want his email address.

I know Kevin very well, he has fit me several times and helped me on a few other things.   Best in the business I think.  He can really go after it ....for an old guy .....LOL  I kid as I'm about 10 years older and 30 mph slower I think! 

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On 5/8/2024 at 8:25 AM, ZMendle10 said:

Fresh off the heels of my trip I was back at it getting some swings in with the Dream 7. I headed off to the Golfcave early this morning and got plenty of swings in to start figuring out the shaft. I wanted to test the driver length at full length as well as choked up about 3/4ish of an inch which would bring the playing length to somewhere between 45.5in and 45.75in which is where all my drivers are currently at.

Full Trackman report can be found here for anyone who really wants to dive in but lets go over the highlights. with first being overall the numbers and dispersion are pretty similar. I hit 55 shots at full length and 35 shots choked up with only editing out one shot from the full length the dispersion circles are pretty much on top of each other.

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Honestly from this test and large of a data pool it would be hard to notice a difference on the course. One thing that me is the center grouping of the standard length. I really started to find a groove and it shows. 

Now removing about half the shots from each gives us a good idea about what the good ones between the two are doing and we start to see them separate from each other a bit more. With the standard length we have about 24 shots and with the choked up grouping we have 17 useable shots.

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The shorter is still marginally faster on club and ball but the spin is much higher giving a higher but floatier flight compared to standard length.  So right now the standard length is the winner and I think I am on to something with getting a feel for the shaft because the red dispersion circle is tight and can't be ignored. 

2 final thoughts

1) my theory on lost efficiency because of club path was correct as we are seeing a much much more neutral path compared to the fitting and much higher efficiency on the good strikes.

2) We are closing in on the 180mph ball speed goal. This shaft has the potential so it's not a matter of if it happens but when it will happen.

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Such great data, and really interesting to disect.   I really wish I had an indoor or outdoor place where I could go to get big chunks of time on Trackman.   And I work at a course and have access to our Trackman, but the instructors have it use 90% of the time, plus it's range balls outside.   

Your GolfCave sounds like an ideal place, I'd pay a pretty good monthly membership to have something like that around here. 

On 5/8/2024 at 10:07 AM, Jean D said:

When @Golfspy_CG2 suggested a pause at the top of my back-swing before the transition, it sounded like a good idea... now that I see video replay (ignore the glow-in-the-dark pale legs!), holy moly does the tip flex a LOT...I understand the WHY of the pause!!! Starting to get more comfortable with the shaft and working up my club head speed and ball speed... now to combine the two and get some distance!

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Nice Jean, glad the pause is working out for you.  It is still a big work in progress for me.  Yesterday I played 27 holes, 18 in a charity scramble and 9 in our afternoon league, and I was not really in shape this early in the season for that and it showed in my concentration.   So results were not great. 

But the good news is they were not horrible, really drives that as I wrote in my Driver Shootout update this morning, the bad drives from AF are about equal to my normal drives with my previous drivers and shafts

Oddly enough my last two drives last night after about a 12 hour day, I managed to get it together and have two of the bes drives of the day! 

 

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2 minutes ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Such great data, and really interesting to disect.   I really wish I had an indoor or outdoor place where I could go to get big chunks of time on Trackman.   And I work at a course and have access to our Trackman, but the instructors have it use 90% of the time, plus it's range balls outside.   

Your GolfCave sounds like an ideal place, I'd pay a pretty good monthly membership to have something like that around here. 

It's a really great facility and there are a few here in NJ but none do it the way GolfCave does it. Been working there since 2020 and since it's a part time gig I have been fortunate enough to not get a bunch of hours but take full advantage of the benefits where if no other simulators are in use I can use one for free. So typically since I go in the morning and nobodies there I have full access at no cost. It's a pretty sweet gig especially in the winter. 

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Well now... a pretty good session at the range after work today 🙂 Even though it was cool (14C) and cloudy.    Still getting to know the AF Dream 7, but we're at least on speaking terms now! Dispersion is tighter, speed is creeping up, distance is starting to as well.   I wouldn't believe how much it flexes if I didn't see it on my own replays... and again tonight, a number of folks at the range popped over to see the orange AF shaft.  Even a few gentlemen who are members of MGS and have been following the testing- so hello to Paul and Jeff!

Loads of data - apologies in advance.  I am hoping the data points (bad shots and all) are helpful to the folks reading through the testing (?)...

** No spin numbers as the MLM2 Pro needs the dots on the ball to do the spin numbers.**  These were all new (straight out of the box) range balls... but still no where near the performance of a premium game ball.

The Dream 7 is certainly growing on me! 

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First two shots with the Dream 7 during tonight's Trackman session. Safe to say that consistency is more than possible with this shaft.

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Quick Update:

I was going to ease into the Dream 7 on the range, but then decided to just go straight to the course and try it in real world conditions. I wasn’t expecting much, but wanted to have some fun with it.  Played 9 holes and it was a steady decent wind with some strong gusts, so definitely a challenging day. It was also pretty cold.

The shaft out the gate seemed very nice to swing and you could tell the shaft delivered extra ball speed.  After realizing that I needed to hit with a slightly slower smooth tempo it started performing.  I choked down slightly on it to probably at about a 45” club length.  It sounded and felt great.  I found if I was too quick with it, the shots seemed to go straight left.

Not too spinny or high launching,  The launch window looked pretty consistent with my GD Tour AD-DI.  Which was nice to see.

Here are two of the better drives.  Both into a wind or side wind.  Looking forward to dialing it in.  So far, I have left the TSR head setting the same as with my gamer shaft, I should note my gamer is set to a swing weight of D4 while the AF is D0.  Both are the same length.

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8 hours ago, KC Golf said:

Quick Update:

I was going to ease into the Dream 7 on the range, but then decided to just go straight to the course and try it in real world conditions. I wasn’t expecting much, but wanted to have some fun with it.  Played 9 holes and it was a steady decent wind with some strong gusts, so definitely a challenging day. It was also pretty cold.

The shaft out the gate seemed very nice to swing and you could tell the shaft delivered extra ball speed.  After realizing that I needed to hit with a slightly slower smooth tempo it started performing.  I choked down slightly on it to probably at about a 45” club length.  It sounded and felt great.  I found if I was too quick with it, the shots seemed to go straight left.

Not too spinny or high launching,  The launch window looked pretty consistent with my GD Tour AD-DI.  Which was nice to see.

Here are two of the better drives.  Both into a wind or side wind.  Looking forward to dialing it in.  So far, I have left the TSR head setting the same as with my gamer shaft, I should note my gamer is set to a swing weight of D4 while the AF is D0.  Both are the same length.

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Man that hole 16 is one scary tee shot.  And the 2nd shot landing area is no picnic either.  Great Bird! 
 

I love the TSR and DI combo.  Thats what i have in my non AF gamer.   I am seriously going to look at an AF for my new TS? When i get fit for it next month. 

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2 hours ago, Golfspy_CG2 said:

Man that hole 16 is one scary tee shot.  And the 2nd shot landing area is no picnic either.  Great Bird! 
 

I love the TSR and DI combo.  Thats what i have in my non AF gamer.   I am seriously going to look at an AF for my new TS? When i get fit for it next month. 

Thanks, the wind was coming from over the water so it was safer tee shot that day.  For long hitters, they can take it over the left bunker and that landing zone is wider.  But from blue tee it’s 260+ carry, so I don’t have that carry length.  It’s a great risk reward hole.  

I really like the TSR3, so I will be curious to see what the new driver from Titleist will look like.  

Will be trying to dial in the AF this weekend and compare it to the GD Tour AD DI which is heavier at 6S.  I was getting decent center contact with the AF.  So I was curious how much farther it goes when it’s optimized.

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12 hours ago, ZMendle10 said:

First two shots with the Dream 7 during tonight's Trackman session. Safe to say that consistency is more than possible with this shaft.

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Wow are there 2 shots in there? Haha

11 hours ago, KC Golf said:

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Wow that #16 is aaaa dooozy! Great birdie! It doesn't really look like much more landing area if you carry the bunker. Maybe a hair. It looks a bit narrow on either side of the bunker.

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Experimented with choking up some more during today's Trackman session and came to a surprising conclusion. I was really trying to focus on delivering less loft and lowering the flight if need be because should I play on a windy day 140ft in the air and 3,000rpm's of backspin is going to absolutely kill me. 

The length I settled on I marked with the blue line and I was seeing tighter dispersion, better dispersion, lower flight, and in general all of the good things that happen when good confident swings are made. 

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Looking at the data yes more shots were hit with it full length but that dispersion choked up is tight (full report here) those massive misses just didn't seem to be a concern at this choked up length. When I got home I took it to my club ruler and measure what this change was and I was choking up a whole 2.25in bringing the playing length to about 44.0in roughly. 

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By no means am I going to cut the shaft down to this length at any point because that would be absurd. However, the next time I take it to the course I will be playing it at the marked length to see the on course results and be reporting back. 

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11 minutes ago, ZMendle10 said:

By no means am I going to cut the shaft down to this length at any point because that would be absurd. However, the next time I take it to the course I will be playing it at the marked length to see the on course results and be reporting back. 

 

... Nothing wrong with cutting to your preferred playing length once you absolutely establish it is the right length for your swing. That said, absolutely nothing wrong with continuing to choke up either. Some find the counter balance effect works for them when choking up and after cutting the shaft, it doesn't feel the same. 

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