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I have never done a real club fitting, only have done the ones at Dick's or Edwin Watts.  I'm in the market to buy the new SIM driver, if I'm not willing to pay $300-$500 for an aftermarket shaft, is it even worth paying $150 to get fitted for a driver? 

SIM $550, fitting $150, shaft $300-500...not really looking to spend over $1K on a driver...so with that in mind, is it even worth getting fitted for an aftermarket shaft?

 

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Let's re-arrange these questions in the order you should be asking them. Should I get fit for a driver? Is the $100-$150 worth it?  In my opinion, absolutely yes.  From the sound of things you've

... As a life long shaft-a-holic there really is no standard answer to this question. For myself, once I found the type off shaft that gives me the best numbers, there is not much difference between s

if you don't want aftermarket, you should at least get fit for the stock shafts.   You should be able to find something withing their offering that works the best for your swing.   Most manufacturers

I'm certainly not any sort of expert on shafts. Not by a long shot. Here's an experience and discussion I once had while visiting Club Champion in Austin, Texas...

I was talking to a fitter in their store one day about their clubs and fitting process. Toward the end of our discussion I picked up a random head that were lining the walls of the fitting area and also grabbed a shaft and asked, "what would this driver/shaft combination cost me should I decide to buy?" He looked at my selection and said probably around ~$600+  not including fitting fee. Ouch! I asked the price of the head and shaft and he replied that the shaft alone was about ~$400+. I then asked wouldn't it be possible for him to fit me into a great playing driver if I purchased a shaft that only cost $150-$200. Absolutely he said. 🤪

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2 hours ago, Golf84 said:

I have never done a real club fitting, only have done the ones at Dick's or Edwin Watts.  I'm in the market to buy the new SIM driver, if I'm not willing to pay $300-$500 for an aftermarket shaft, is it even worth paying $150 to get fitted for a driver? 

SIM $550, fitting $150, shaft $300-500...not really looking to spend over $1K on a driver...so with that in mind, is it even worth getting fitted for an aftermarket shaft?

 

if you don't want aftermarket, you should at least get fit for the stock shafts.   You should be able to find something withing their offering that works the best for your swing.   Most manufacturers have a good selection of shaft profiles.    

Not all aftermarket shafts are in the $300-$500 range.  You can get aftermarket from $75 and up.   

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Let's re-arrange these questions in the order you should be asking them.
Should I get fit for a driver? Is the $100-$150 worth it?  In my opinion, absolutely yes.  From the sound of things you've never been through a quality driver fitting.  Unless you randomly found a great fit with your current driver it's pretty good odds that you are leaving yards on the table.  Start with the driver fitting and that will help answer the remaining questions.
I'm in the market for a SIM driver.  Ok so this one isn't really a question, but how sure are you that you want a SIM?  What if that's not the best driver for you?  Go in to the driver fitting with an open mind and you may end up with the SIM, but it's also possible you end up in something else.  Only you can decide if you just want a SIM or if you want the best driver for your game
Is an aftermarket shaft worth it?  This isn't really a fair question.  There is such a range of shafts out there that any random aftermarket shaft, regardless of cost, is really a crap shoot if it will fit you without going through a driver fitting.  For me personally I found the cost completely worth it.  But I also sourced the shaft myself and built it, so with a used head, used shaft and doing the work myself it ended up costing less than buying a stock new setup. The question isn't "Is an aftermarket shaft worth the cost"  the question should be "Is the best shaft for my game worth the cost?"  Only you can answer that question, and it's entirely possible the best shaft for you is a stock or no up-charge option 
At the end of the day it's your time and money so only you can decide if the costs are worth the performance gains.  But I would absolutely go in for a true quality driver fitting before anything else.  You're going to drop $550 on a new driver, it seems almost fiscally irresponsible to not do a fitting first to make sure you are getting the proper specs and shaft for your game.
Last advice, if an aftermarket shaft is out of your budget I would recommend letting the fitter know that going in.  Almost every OEM has a list of no-upcharge shafts that is larger than the 2 or 3 stock offerings they have in the store.  Just let the fitter know that you are limited in shaft selection to any no up-charge shaft before you start the fitting, a good fitter will be able to work with that.
This is very sound advice.
OP are you are willing to drop $550 on a new SIM driver and also willing to get fit for $150 but not looking at paying the premium for an upcharge shaft correct? If this is the case my advice would be to get fit for whatever driver works best for you and then possibly piece it together on the used market. You may get that same perfect $1000 setup for closer to the original cost + fitting fee.

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A shaft is also shaft is a shaft. 

Price, brand, flex all do not matter. What matters it what fits you. That might be a no-upcharge stock shaft, it might be an aftermarket, it might be stiff, it might be x stiff. 

The important thing is to get fit to find the head and shaft that maximize your swing 

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Personally did the club champion fitting last year. Bought the upgraded shaft and everything. It didn’t work out for me. I ended up putting my old shaft in less than a month later. The fit is what matters not which shaft for sure.
Now let me say a good shaft can make a huge difference but if the shaft doesn’t fit your swing it doesn’t matter how much of a premium shaft it is. My favorite shaft is a Tour AD DI 6x always end up going back to it. Five different drivers and everytime I end up putting this shaft in. That being said it took a lot of fittings and miss fittings for me to come up with this. Sadly only had a couple of good driver fittings over the years. Rest have been garbage. You can blame my swing indoors or fitters that don’t know my tendencies or just not swinging well on those days, not sure. I’m kind of rambling but let me finish with fittings in my opinion are shots in the dark. You May get a good one or a bad one but finding the right shaft to fit you will make a unbelievable difference.


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A fitting with a good fitter is worth the cost. There’s no guarantee an aftermarket shaft will work better for you over a stock. Several brands including TaylorMade are offering some aftermarket shafts as stock like the smoke green, yellow or black. Callaway offering the new Aldila rogue.

Getting fit is better than buying off the rack. The value of an aftermarket shaft vs a stock and whether it’s worth it can only be determined by the individual person purchasing it.

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I have never done a real club fitting, only have done the ones at Dick's or Edwin Watts.  I'm in the market to buy the new SIM driver, if I'm not willing to pay $300-$500 for an aftermarket shaft, is it even worth paying $150 to get fitted for a driver? 
SIM $550, fitting $150, shaft $300-500...not really looking to spend over $1K on a driver...so with that in mind, is it even worth getting fitted for an aftermarket shaft?
 

I will say the fitting I did with our Titleist rep at a demo-day last year was phenomenal, and every shaft he had was no up charge. They have a TON of shafts to choose from, where some others don’t offer as many. TM and Callaway had a good number, but nowhere near the options Titleist did, so, yes, you can find a shaft without an up charge that will work.
I have done fittings and bought after market most times as the numbers were noticeably different. I’m willing to pay, within reason, to max my numbers.


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IMO you should pay the most attention to the head. Launch Angle, Spin Rate, Forgiveness... all basically influenced by the clubhead - not to forget Sound and Looks. Don´t get me wrong: I am not saying that shafts don´t matter. They`re very important when it comes to timing, feel, drip,...so to say can move / tighten the hitting zone on the clubface. But for me this is more "fine-tuning" and needs a pretty reliable swing (for sure flex and profile must not be completely wrong for one´s swing).

I am sure, SIM is a great driver (haven´t hit it yet)... but so are many others. My reco is to not exclude them from the beginning. Go with whatever makes your bad hits less punishing, not your good shots better.

PS: A Fitting is always a good idea in my opinion 😃

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FWIW, Project X shafts that come stock in drivers and woods are actually the real shafts.  Some companies make a lesser shaft with the same name for stock options.  For example, I remember the Fujikura Speeder in the Titleist 975 series was just a fancy paint job on a bargain shaft.  If you get a Project X, its the same as if you bought it aftermarket.  

 

I'm not sure who else falls into those categories.  

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FWIW, Project X shafts that come stock in drivers and woods are actually the real shafts.  Some companies make a lesser shaft with the same name for stock options.  For example, I remember the Fujikura Speeder in the Titleist 975 series was just a fancy paint job on a bargain shaft.  If you get a Project X, its the same as if you bought it aftermarket.  
 
I'm not sure who else falls into those categories.  

There is still a distinction between Project X Hzrdus and Project X Hzrdus hand-crafted. They don’t have the same torque, weight, etc.


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That's alarming - since I have a driver fitting schedule at CC in late Feb...


I think it’s a lot like getting a lesson at golftec the fitter makes all the difference. You can have good and bad lessons and good and bad fitters. Check around and make sure the fitter you are scheduled with is good. They will have several different fitters.
Also think they may push there staff to certain shafts that they get special deals on. I have seen patterns in their fittings for a while everyone one was pushed to a tpt shaft. Over half the shafts they tried me in I had never heard off but never mentioned tpt even though I wanted to try it.


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25 minutes ago, PMookie said:


There is still a distinction between Project X Hzrdus and Project X Hzrdus hand-crafted. They don’t have the same torque, weight, etc.


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Do you have the literature on that?

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Except I just moved to this area, and don't know anyone who's been to this Club Champion. Maybe it's just me, but I think asking around is much easier said than done for many players - and that's why fittings can be a coin toss. I agree WRT a free fitting, but I don't think I should have to "ask around" for a paid fitting, but probably naive.

I agree completely, but that’s the way it is. I found out after the fact that I went to the wrong guy. May not have made a difference but I won’t risk it again.
Other thing I didn’t like with club champion is that I paid full price for the club and aftermarket shaft but didn’t get the stock shaft. So, last week when I traded the club in with TM I had to get a stock shaft for trade in. Didn’t want to trade in the aftermarket shaft.


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There is still a distinction between Project X Hzrdus and Project X Hzrdus hand-crafted. They don’t have the same torque, weight, etc.


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That is false. The difference between them is where they were/are made. They are designed to the same specs with the non hc being made in Asia, while up until a couple years ago the hc being made in San Diego. Now they are all made in Asia. I spent time with the PX team a few years ago, this question came up then and has come up on multiple forums and PX has confirmed they are designed to the same specs. 
 

I’ve seen others ask about titleist having different specs listed compared to what px has listed and px confirmed the shaft titleist has was the same as the rest and the difference was in how titleist measures certain specs compared to how px does. The TM site has a pic of a hzrdus green that the specs on the shaft don’t match the px specs and px has confirmed the shaft available in SIM is the same as listed on px website 

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That is false. The difference between them is where they were/are made. They are designed to the same specs with the non hc being made in Asia, while up until a couple years ago the hc being made in San Diego. Now they are all made in Asia. I spent time with the PX team a few years ago, this question came up then and has come up on multiple forums and PX has confirmed they are designed to the same specs. 
 

I’ve seen others ask about titleist having different specs listed compared to what px has listed and px confirmed the shaft titleist has was the same as the rest and the difference was in how titleist measures certain specs compared to how px does. The TM site has a pic of a hzrdus green that the specs on the shaft don’t match the px specs and px has confirmed the shaft available in SIM is the same as listed on px website 

I spent some time there too!  The designer himself stated they are the same shaft.  

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On 1/30/2020 at 9:58 AM, ACslater said:

FWIW, Project X shafts that come stock in drivers and woods are actually the real shafts.  Some companies make a lesser shaft with the same name for stock options.  For example, I remember the Fujikura Speeder in the Titleist 975 series was just a fancy paint job on a bargain shaft.  If you get a Project X, its the same as if you bought it aftermarket.  

 

I'm not sure who else falls into those categories.  

I've wondered about this issue. It seems like a lot of the "stock" shafts are also "made for" shafts. The Taylor made M6 which is now selling for $350 has a Fuji Atmos Orange shaft. However, the Fuji web site doesn't offer an Atmos Orange and the Atmos Red (or Blue) after market shafts cost about $250. I know a lot of OEMs do offer a variety of name brand shafts, but are they the same quality as the after market version?

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Short answer is no. Made for shafts are cheaper version just using the brand name. Great example is the new ventus shaft Taylor made is using in the SIM woods. These don’t have velocore which is what makes a ventus shaft so popular. Without velocore the ventus is just like any other shaft.
Ventus with velocore shafts run $300 on eBay
TM ventus lucky to get $100 on eBay


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