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Tony C might kick me off the forums for this. But I really believe that a standard 588 style wedge has zero difference from one brand to another. I am not talking about the bounce and grind options that make one different from another, I get that . Alsohaving used them, I can attest to the differences between a CBX2 wedge and a 588 clone.

I've used the Sub70, Mac Daddy Forged, Mizuno, Ping, Cleveland, TM and Vokey wedges. Besides for the Vokeys feeling clicky, I don't think I could tell a discernible difference. They are all basically the exact same shape and weight.

I'm looking for a new 54 and 58 right now, and I need someone to explain why any brand is any different than any other. An Anser style putter is an Anser style putter. Without face tech they are only separated by levels of shinny. Aren't basic wedges the same? 

I'm not trying to incite a riot here, just after 4 years of Forums, I need some more education on why I would pick one over the other. I love the Sub70 I have, it replaced some used Mac Daddy Forged wedges. If they were the same finish, I couldn't tell you the difference between them. And looking at wedges in the store this week, I mean its the same wedge in 7 different finishes and at 5 different price points. 

I looked back, and apparently MGS also feels they are the same and warrant no testing, because as far as I can see, there has never been a Most Wanted Wedge test. 

I'll probably just order some more Sub70 because the are the least expensive. But if one of you can convince me there is an actual difference, I will ship you a cookie as a thank you. 

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Tony C might kick me off the forums for this. But I really believe that a standard 588 style wedge has zero difference from one brand to another. I am not talking about the bounce and grind options th

okay, that is exactly where I am at. I also have Sub70, and I got it because of price. And having used it, I can't come up with any reason to spend more on a wedge than it costs. I'm fishing for someo

@Thin2win usually lets me buy the expensive stuff and then wants to take it off my hands after my ADHD brain moves on to my next idea lol

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In principle, I think you have a reasonable point: the differences among the "classic" wedge designs should be pretty minimal. Very likely, the differences are at the margins for the same loft/bounce/etc setup, and likely might run into the place at which subjective factors are also come into play.

That said, there has been a Most Wanted Wedges, back only a couple years ago: 2019 Most Wanted Wedges: https://mygolfspy.com/2019-most-wanted-wedge/

Also (though I'm not finding a full article on it):

I found it interesting that the Sub 70 wedges (which I have in my bag) are among the very highest spinning when dry, but drop off to middle of the pack when wet.

So there is still reason to think that, even among class wedge shapes, there are performance differences. If you need my address for the cookie, I'll DM you 🙂

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11 minutes ago, GolfSpy MPR said:

2019 Most Wanted Wedges: https://mygolfspy.com/2019-most-wanted-wedge/

Also (though I'm not finding a full article on it):

 

Okay, so you win. And I'm going through this now...

.. basically every wedge is 8600 rpm +- 200 and 32.5 +- 1 degree of launch. 

And also, I fully understand that 1 will work better for someone than another. Just like one Anser putter works better for someone than another. 

 

let me ask this differently, what differences led you to pick the wedge(s) you have over any other brands 588 clone?

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Just now, Thin2win said:

Okay, so you win. And I'm going through this now...

.. basically every wedge is 8600 rpm +- 200 and 32.5 +- 1 degree of launch. 

And also, I fully understand that 1 will work better for someone than another. Just like one Anser putter works better for someone than another. 

 

let me ask this differently, what differences led you to pick the wedge(s) you have over any other brands 588 clone?

Price 🙂

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Just now, GolfSpy MPR said:

Price 🙂

okay, that is exactly where I am at. I also have Sub70, and I got it because of price. And having used it, I can't come up with any reason to spend more on a wedge than it costs. I'm fishing for someone to give me a reason to spend more money. So far, you are winning the contest for the cookie. 

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I’ll disagree that all anser putters are the same beyond face tech. While I feel the same as you a about wedges I would assume that the differences are similar(assuming same bounce and grind): weight, cog location, offset, shape differences, leading edge shape to name a few. As you mentioned, assuming the typical 588/vokey non cavity back design.

Knowing that they have differences, the question becomes how much does it matter? Wish I knew because I have no clue how to decide on a wedge beyond price.

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5 minutes ago, cnosil said:

I’ll disagree that all anser putters are the same beyond face tech. While I feel the same as you a about wedges I would assume that the differences are similar(assuming same bounce and grind): weight, cog location, offset, shape differences, leading edge shape to name a few. As you mentioned, assuming the typical 588/vokey non cavity back design.

Knowing that they have differences, the question becomes how much does it matter? Wish I knew because I have no clue how to decide on a wedge beyond price.

So far price is the winning answer. Come on, someone win a cookie and give a great reason! 

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9 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

So far price is the winning answer. Come on, someone win a cookie and give a great reason! 

I was trying to come up with some smart response but have nothing for you.

You could buy Edison wedge just to be different. I am guessing that no one at your club owns an Edison wedge. You will be unique.

https://edisonwedges.com/pages/edison-technologies

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I was trying to come up with some smart response but have nothing for you.

You could buy Edison wedge just to be different. I am guessing that no one at your club owns an Edison wedge. You will be unique.

https://edisonwedges.com/pages/edison-technologies

They do claim they retain spin better and forgiveness of balls high on the face. They may be the most niche of them all. TK is a master and they say if they don’t work for you they’ll buy you something else from another OEM Lu’s cash to make up the difference. If I wasn’t a zip core tester I would have gone with them. 

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11 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

So far price is the winning answer. Come on, someone win a cookie and give a great reason! 

Customer service? Customization? Sub70 probably wins there, too. 

Realistically, a lot of the DTC brands are working off very similar Chinese moulds. You can pick up some blanks out there for not much ($50/each) and customize them to your heart's content. (See: https://www.coreypaulfunctionalart.com/store/c10/blank-forgings)

Otherwise, you're stuck going down the tech rabbit holes of the bigger OEMs. Does the MIM process make the Cobra wedges softer feeling? Not sure. But I know they feel nice, nicer than other wedges I've tried.

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3 minutes ago, rbsiedsc said:

They do claim they retain spin better and forgiveness of balls high on the face. They may be the most niche of them all. TK is a master and they say if they don’t work for you they’ll buy you something else from another OEM Lu’s cash to make up the difference. If I wasn’t a zip core tester I would have gone with them. 

@Thin2win usually lets me buy the expensive stuff and then wants to take it off my hands after my ADHD brain moves on to my next idea lol

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if they're all the same what's the point of a wedge fitting beyond determining the proper set makeup and bounce?

FWIW: I think when it becomes to players wedges (I guess that's what a "588" is?) the degrees of separation are small, just like thin bladed irons. It's a hunk of metal on the end of a stick. Seems like manufacturers have been differentiating by moving the center of gravity around and adding forgiveness....oh and all of the color combinations and how they cut the grooves in the face.

In a blind test is a new sm4 just about the same as a sm6 ? probably pretty close would be my guess.

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2 minutes ago, dlow206 said:

@Thin2win usually lets me buy the expensive stuff and then wants to take it off my hands after my ADHD brain moves on to my next idea lol

this... isn't a lie. 

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4 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:

if they're all the same what's the point of a wedge fitting beyond determining the proper set makeup and bounce?

FWIW: I think when it becomes to players wedges (I guess that's what a "588" is?) the degrees of separation are small, just like thin bladed irons. It's a hunk of metal on the end of a stick. Seems like manufacturers have been differentiating by moving the center of gravity around and adding forgiveness....oh and all of the color combinations and how they cut the grooves in the face.

In a blind test is a new sm4 just about the same as a sm6 ? probably pretty close would be my guess.

I get the need to find the right bounce/grind and a fitting can find that. But if I know I need a 58/8 wedge.... you kinda summed up my thoughts, they are all basically the same material and the same shape, how much different can they really be?

Adam has talked about putters being "wall hangers" I guess I've always thought of wedges as basically the same. I know Vokeys are great, I know Bettinardi's are great. But aren't they just in the same category as Scottys in terms of more wall art then worth using? (note, not trying to single those two out for any reason other than they are popular, throw in any brand you want). 

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7 minutes ago, StrokerAce said:

check this out from Titleist on the Vokey SM6 - moving the COG around on the "588" style can have a big difference.
https://www.titleist.com/golf-clubs/wedges/sm6/progressive-cg

 

yes? I see that is the marketing pitch, and Cleveland has done it with the 1 dot, 2 dot, 3 dot series. But does it?

@GolfSpy MPR I will send a dozen cookies, fresh girl scout samoas if you can get a test to see if there is any difference here.

Looking at the wedge marketing and the claims of improved spin from one year to the next and comparing it to driver marketing... if it was true I would be getting so much backspin on wedge shots that I would be leaving scorch marks on the greens.  

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2 hours ago, Thin2win said:

So far price is the winning answer. Come on, someone win a cookie and give a great reason! 

Sorry, I cannot.  As someone who only recently added a non-set wedge to the quiver, I just honestly don't know that much about wedge designs and differences.  I will say the Sub70 is the coolest name... in addition to being lower cost option.  But if cost is the driver, and your position is sound, wouldn't these be the best option?  Did I win the cookie?

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2 hours ago, Thin2win said:

So far price is the winning answer. Come on, someone win a cookie and give a great reason! 

No great answer but there are other factors to consider.  Considering you are only comparing the classic design you should also look at the groove, any face milling, finished, or raw. Raw wil rust over time which will increase the spin due to the rougher surface. Someone that spins the ball a lot might want a smoother finish compared to someone who wants to increase spin.

I just used my 56 degree Sub-70 JB wedge for the first time yesterday. It definitely spins more than my Cleveland's. I was able to backup the ball where I never have backed up before. The only difference I can see is the width of the groove. The Cleveland groove width is .025 where the Sub-70 groove width is .030. Wider groove will grab the ball more to create more spin. Im sure the depth might have a slight difference but I couldn't measure this without a pin micrometer. Don't have one at the house. The Cleveland does have face milling as well but the grooves really do the work. Face pattern milling might channel some water away but once you compress the ball I don't know that it is really doing much. But the data doesn't lie. You would have to look at the test data and also know which wedges have face milling.

The type of material makes a difference in feel. Cast, forged, softer carbon steel with higher lead content versus a harder material. Weight placement playes a factor too.

Do I get a cookie? 

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50 minutes ago, fixyurdivot said:

Sorry, I cannot.  As someone who only recently added a non-set wedge to the quiver, I just honestly don't know that much about wedge designs and differences.  I will say the Sub70 is the coolest name... in addition to being lower cost option.  But if cost is the driver, and your position is sound, wouldn't these be the best option?  Did I win the cookie?

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If they had a 50/54/58 option I'd have ordered them! 

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7 minutes ago, Tom the Golf Nut said:

just used my 56 degree Sub-70 JB wedge for the first time yesterday. 

... 

Do I get a cookie? 

Yeah yeah yeah. Why did you get a sub 70 wedge? I know you've had good luck with the 699 Pro's, decided to give their wedge a try too? 

The cookie has not been decided yet, but you are in the running. 

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