TaylorMade Qi10 Drivers - 2024 Forum Member Review

[CB Lobo 4 Life]

29 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... I did not. Anytime I have hit LS heads my spin is well below 2000 and after reading about how low spin the LS head is for most that hit it, I didn't even hit it. When I demoed the Aerojet LS I was getting about 1500 spin. 

See here is where this is interesting for me I feel like of all the "LS" drivers I have hit in the past 12 months (Paradym TD, TSR3, Cobra Aerojet LS, & Stealth 2 Plus) I feel like his is the one driver I get the best spin numbers. I can not sing enough the Qi10 LS praises. Now, I will give a caveat here though that you need to go do an outdoor fitting and that is what I did. I got fit for a shaft I had not expected (Graphite Design Tour AD DI IZ 6 - TX). For some reason this combination for me is PERFECT. I think unless you are hurting with too much spin the Qi10 LS with a stock low-spin shaft is going to hurt you. You need to go get fit for it. 

[chisag]

2 minutes ago, CB Lobo 4 Life said:

See here is where this is interesting for me I feel like of all the "LS" drivers I have hit in the past 12 months (Paradym TD, TSR3, Cobra Aerojet LS, & Stealth 2 Plus) I feel like his is the one driver I get the best spin numbers. I can not sing enough the Qi10 LS praises. Now, I will give a caveat here though that you need to go do an outdoor fitting and that is what I did. I got fit for a shaft I had not expected (Graphite Design Tour AD DI IZ 6 - TX). For some reason this combination for me is PERFECT. I think unless you are hurting with too much spin the Qi10 LS with a stock low-spin shaft is going to hurt you. You need to go get fit for it. 

 

... I hear ya amigo and there are several factors are at play and the first is, I believe you have a very high swing speed correct? I am swinging around 95mph and sometimes a little faster but not triple digits. Then AoA is another big factor. I have a +3 AoA so I don't generate a lot of spin. A zero AoA or a negative AoA will also produce higher spin numbers. 

...  I see it all the time but most Am's don't produce enough spin. The Taylor Made SLDR was a monster for high spin players with faster swing speeds but performed poorly for the average Am, hence the "Loft Up" mantra for the 2nd year suggesting a 12* instead of a 10.5* head which helped but didn't address the problem of too little spin. (And good luck trying to tell the average male he needs a 12* ) It was about a year later that Cobra introduced the Fly Z that was the exact opposite of weight forward with weight in the rear of the club producing a higher launch and more spin and it became an instant classic. The High Launch-Low Spin that works so well for tour players and high swing speed Am's changed to High Launch-Mid Spin for the average Am. OEM's are scared to say "High Spin" for clubs and shafts as that scares the uneducated so they call most Mid Spin. 

... At my swing speed on the upper end of the "Average" speed, I have found that around 15* of launch and 2500/2600rpm's of spin produce my best drives. 


These are the idea numbers according to True Spec Golf:

“Very Fast” swing speed (more than 105 mph with the driver)

Launch: 10-16 degrees
Spin: 1750-2300 rpm

“Fast” swing speed (97-104 mph)

Launch: 12-16 degrees
Spin: 2000-2500 rpm

“Average” swing speed (84-96 mph)

Launch: 13-16 degrees
Spin: 2400-2700 rpm

“Slow” swing speed (72-83 mph)

Launch: 14-19 degrees
Spin: 2600-2900 rpm

 

[CB Lobo 4 Life]

3 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... I hear ya amigo and there are several factors are at play and the first is, I believe you have a very high swing speed correct? I am swinging around 95mph and sometimes a little faster but not triple digits. Then AoA is another big factor. I have a +3 AoA so I don't generate a lot of spin. A zero AoA or a negative AoA will also produce higher spin numbers. 

...  I see it all the time but most Am's don't produce enough spin. The Taylor Made SLDR was a monster for high spin players with faster swing speeds but performed poorly for the average Am, hence the "Loft Up" mantra for the 2nd year suggesting a 12* instead of a 10.5* head which helped but didn't address the problem of too little spin. (And good luck trying to tell the average male he needs a 12* ) It was about a year later that Cobra introduced the Fly Z that was the exact opposite of weight forward with weight in the rear of the club producing a higher launch and more spin and it became an instant classic. The High Launch-Low Spin that works so well for tour players and high swing speed Am's changed to High Launch-Mid Spin for the average Am. OEM's are scared to say "High Spin" for clubs and shafts as that scares the uneducated so they call most Mid Spin. 

... At my swing speed on the upper end of the "Average" speed, I have found that around 15* of launch and 2500/2600rpm's of spin produce my best drives. 


These are the idea numbers according to True Spec Golf:

“Very Fast” swing speed (more than 105 mph with the driver)

Launch: 10-16 degrees
Spin: 1750-2300 rpm

“Fast” swing speed (97-104 mph)

Launch: 12-16 degrees
Spin: 2000-2500 rpm

“Average” swing speed (84-96 mph)

Launch: 13-16 degrees
Spin: 2400-2700 rpm

“Slow” swing speed (72-83 mph)

Launch: 14-19 degrees
Spin: 2600-2900 rpm

 

To answer your question, yeah my Swing Speed is about 118+. So that would produce some serious spin if not in the right head/shaft combo. I think my issue with other LS models is that the shaft that came with them is so stiff at the handle and shaft that the feel for me was always missing. However, now that I am in my GD shaft I love the softer handle and shaft because it allows me to feel the club so much more!

[Michael.Sandoval33]

Just a mini update from today at the range. With the loft +1° I was able to launch the ball with much more consistent distance. I believe this can be attributed to the change in the angle of attack that I was seeing  Going to test this out further with data this week to see if this proves true. 

[bens197]

3 hours ago, funkyjudge said:

I have indeed found that high and slightly toe-side contact almost always results in my best drives, at least in terms of distance. Of course, “toey” drives are often accompanied by a clubface that is slightly closed (or rotating closed), which also results in a draw or pull-draw.

You're not alone...while it's not a TM, I've had a lot of success with PING and Titleist when I'm striking the ball just towards the toe.

[Hook DeLoft]

17 hours ago, chisag said:

... Adding a little fuel to the testers fire, I have now hit drives longer than any previous drives on 4 different holes. I have only had the Qi10 2 weeks so comparing it to over 500 rounds of longest drives on every hole and it going farther on 4 of them is just jaw dropping stuff. For me at least, the Qi10 is just that special kind of driver that only comes along a few times in 40 years. 

I am getting extraordinary smash factors from the Max.  I am going to go into that in my next update.

[Jim Shaw]

2 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... I did not. Anytime I have hit LS heads my spin is well below 2000 and after reading about how low spin the LS head is for most that hit it, I didn't even hit it. When I demoed the Aerojet LS I was getting about 1500 spin. 

Doesn’t lower spin mean more run once it hits the ground? 

[cnosil]

33 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:

Doesn’t lower spin mean more run once it hits the ground? 

Could,  but the big negative is that you need spin to keep the ball in the air.  Too little spin and you lose airtime and the ball has a tendency to dive so you have lost  accuracy and control.  

Edited March 5 by cnosil

[bens197]

37 minutes ago, cnosil said:

Could,  but the big negative is that you need spin to keep the ball in the air.  Too little spin and you lose airtime and the ball has a tendency to dive so you have lost  accuracy and control.  

Really the easiest and best way to explain it.  I like to think of the garden hose while flowing water...the more you raise it, the further the stream will flow...to a point...Same analogy with fire hoses

 

[ILMgolfnut]

6 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:

Doesn’t lower spin mean more run once it hits the ground?

Yep, but it also means less carry, for the same reason home run balls need some backspin to get out of the park.

[Wib081]

4 hours ago, Michael.Sandoval33 said:

Odd because I find that the Max actually tends to fade, but then again, my usual swing is a pull and not a slice which could definitely factor into what I am seeing so far.

I noticed this same thing with the Max in the fitting I went through. 

[GolfSpy_BEN]

Utilized the Top Tracer Range Virtual Golf for a one person, two ball scramble today. Overall, the results were positive. 

Since there were 2 tee shots for each hole, I used the QI-10 for the first and the Paradym TD for the second, here are the results:

1. Q                         10. Q

2. P                         11. par 3

3. Q                        12. Q

4. P                        13. Q

5. par 3                 14. Q

6. Q                       15. P

7. Q                       16. par 3

8. par 3                17. Q

9. 3 wood.           18. Q

So out of 13 potential holes, I went with the drive produced by the QI-10 LS on 10 of them. Pretty, pretty good.

[Jim Shaw]

3 hours ago, ILMgolfnut said:

Yep, but it also means less carry, for the same reason home run balls need some backspin to get out of the park.

Would the total distance be close to the same? 

[GolfSpy_BEN]

5 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:

Would the total distance be close to the same? 

Depends on environmental factors, such as how firm the ground is. More carry distance helps mitigate those factors

[cnosil]

5 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:

Would the total distance be close to the same? 

I tend to be on the low spin side with drivers and when I get really low spin it is no where near the same distance and generally way left.  Definitely not something that I want with a driver. 

[Jim Shaw]

13 hours ago, GolfSpy_BEN said:

Depends on environmental factors, such as how firm the ground is. More carry distance helps mitigate those factors

now that you mention it I was told that by my HOF buddy years ago, but the jury is still out with that one for me, depending on the conditions, wind, rain etc, sometimes I think getting the ball on the ground is beneficial and I am talking off the tee of course and possibly some inside 150 yd approach shots. 

This next question may be good for @GolfSpy_BEN, and @chisag, have you ever noticed or maybe you play a "what I call a heavier" shot? I noticed early in my competitive career when I played with certain very successful golfers that their ball flight seemed heavy, meaning it managed the elements in flight better than mine. I did notice the build on these two golfers were heavier than mine meaning big forearms and legs etc. But to me their ball flight was "heavier" that is the only way I can describe it. 

[TylorJudd]

20 hours ago, CB Lobo 4 Life said:

To answer your question, yeah my Swing Speed is about 118+. So that would produce some serious spin if not in the right head/shaft combo. I think my issue with other LS models is that the shaft that came with them is so stiff at the handle and shaft that the feel for me was always missing. However, now that I am in my GD shaft I love the softer handle and shaft because it allows me to feel the club so much more!

Same thing happened to me when I broke the shaft I had and Callaway sent me a HZRDUS Black for my Paradym TD. Couldn’t jive at all, my swing sits around yours and even increasing up to 122/123 with HZRDUS ball speed would never go above 166. Put I’d GD AD MJ, and boom ball speed instantly up to 172, and swing speed was able to settle back down to 117. 
Graphite Design I believe are wonderful pairings for LS heads!

[CB Lobo 4 Life]

3 minutes ago, TylorJudd said:

Same thing happened to me when I broke the shaft I had and Callaway sent me a HZRDUS Black for my Paradym TD. Couldn’t jive at all, my swing sits around yours and even increasing up to 122/123 with HZRDUS ball speed would never go above 166. Put I’d GD AD MJ, and boom ball speed instantly up to 172, and swing speed was able to settle back down to 117. 
Graphite Design I believe are wonderful pairings for LS heads!

FOR SURE!! For some reason it seems like those GD shafts with mid-high launch and low spin are perfect for those LS heads haha. Not sure if that is the specs of the MJ but they are for what I have tested haha.

[chisag]

17 minutes ago, Jim Shaw said:

now that you mention it I was told that by my HOF buddy years ago, but the jury is still out with that one for me, depending on the conditions, wind, rain etc, sometimes I think getting the ball on the ground is beneficial and I am talking off the tee of course and possibly some inside 150 yd approach shots. 

This next question may be good for @GolfSpy_BEN, and @chisag, have you ever noticed or maybe you play a "what I call a heavier" shot? I noticed early in my competitive career when I played with certain very successful golfers that their ball flight seemed heavy, meaning it managed the elements in flight better than mine. I did notice the build on these two golfers were heavier than mine meaning big forearms and legs etc. But to me their ball flight was "heavier" that is the only way I can describe it. 

 

... Karry is King. More carry is almost always preferable while under certain conditions a lower trajectory and lower spin may produce a few more yards, but the conditions need to be ideal. If the ground is "kinda" soft a lower trajectory/spin drive can hit and roll out where a higher trajectory with more spin may just run out a little after a deeper ball mark in the fairway. But that is a pretty unique combo and even then you would need the ideal trajectory and spin to produce a longer drive. 

... More often than not when conditions were very soft in the Midwest, a low spin low trajectory shot only rolled out marginally longer than a higher trajectory/spin that carried much farther and didn't roll out as much. If you carry the ball 30yds longer and the lower trajectory/spin drive rolls out even 15 yds farther you have lost 15yds.

... The difference is even more pronounced here in the desert with hard fast fairways. During the winter months, balls roll a ton regardless of trajectory. As long as you are not producing too much spin and a steep angle of descent, the ball will roll a good 40-60 yds ir more if you land on a downslope. Spin is almost irrelevant for roll out if you picture hitting a golf ball onto an airport runway. The farther you carry the ball down the runway the longer the drive because the hard ground doesn't grab the spinning ball like a softer fairway does. 

... I think your point about a ""heavier" shot is the result of compressing the ball. I have certainly played with thin and tall mini tour players that have a very forward shaft lean and really compress the ball taking a deep divot. I take a shallow divot and side by side there is a noticeable difference in the ball flight as well as the sound and I would describe it as a heavy sound. I know he has changed and now flights the ball to some degree but early In Rory McIlroy's career he said in the wind he didn't change anything, he just concentrated on solid contact and even his normal trajectory wasn't influenced in side to side movement into the wind, he just took a little more club. 

[Donn lost in San Diego]

4 hours ago, TylorJudd said:

Same thing happened to me when I broke the shaft I had and Callaway sent me a HZRDUS Black for my Paradym TD. Couldn’t jive at all, my swing sits around yours and even increasing up to 122/123 with HZRDUS ball speed would never go above 166. Put I’d GD AD MJ, and boom ball speed instantly up to 172, and swing speed was able to settle back down to 117. 
Graphite Design I believe are wonderful pairings for LS heads!

what pray tell is   "Put I’d GD AD MJ"  ???

[cnosil]

2 minutes ago, Donn lost in San Diego said:

what pray tell is   "Put I’d GD AD MJ"  ???

Put in Graphite Design (GD) AD MJ shaft

https://proschoicegolfshafts.com/tour-ad-mj-shafts/

 

[TylorJudd]

5 hours ago, CB Lobo 4 Life said:

FOR SURE!! For some reason it seems like those GD shafts with mid-high launch and low spin are perfect for those LS heads haha. Not sure if that is the specs of the MJ but they are for what I have tested haha.

The entire Tour AD lineup is really a mid launch/spin design. Their “low” shafts are just against their own parameters. From my experience, you can put any Tour AD shaft in and the results will be similar. Mind you going from one spectrum to the other, say MJ/CQ to VF/HD may produce something but they’re all so nice to hit

[Jmikecpa]

3 hours ago, TylorJudd said:

The entire Tour AD lineup is really a mid launch/spin design. Their “low” shafts are just against their own parameters. From my experience, you can put any Tour AD shaft in and the results will be similar. Mind you going from one spectrum to the other, say MJ/CQ to VF/HD may produce something but they’re all so nice to hit

Best shafts you can buy in my opinion. I had a DI 7x in my driver for close to 20 years. 

Edited March 7 by Jmikecpa

[GolfSpy_BEN]

3 hours ago, TylorJudd said:

The entire Tour AD lineup is really a mid launch/spin design. Their “low” shafts are just against their own parameters. From my experience, you can put any Tour AD shaft in and the results will be similar. Mind you going from one spectrum to the other, say MJ/CQ to VF/HD may produce something but they’re all so nice to hit

 

32 minutes ago, Jmikecpa said:

Best shafts you can buy in my opinion. I had a DI 7x in my driver for close to 20 years. 

 

8 hours ago, CB Lobo 4 Life said:

FOR SURE!! For some reason it seems like those GD shafts with mid-high launch and low spin are perfect for those LS heads haha. Not sure if that is the specs of the MJ but they are for what I have tested haha.

Prior to this test, I had been playing a GD Tour AD XC-7X and I love the feel of that shaft. Once testing wraps up, I’m contemplating re-tipping that shaft or possibly grabbing a VF-7X. You guys are correct, those shafts pair up exceptionally well with LS Heads

[TylorJudd]

3 hours ago, GolfSpy_BEN said:

 

 

Prior to this test, I had been playing a GD Tour AD XC-7X and I love the feel of that shaft. Once testing wraps up, I’m contemplating re-tipping that shaft or possibly grabbing a VF-7X. You guys are correct, those shafts pair up exceptionally well with LS Heads

Really want to give the XC, IZ, and UB a go. The VF looks likes it shaping up to be one of their most popular shafts to date 

[TylorJudd]

4 hours ago, Jmikecpa said:

Best shafts you can buy in my opinion. I had a DI 7x in my driver for close to 20 years. 

Currently play the AD DI in my 5 wood, had a G Series in my prior driver also

[Jmikecpa]

12 hours ago, GolfSpy_BEN said:

 

 

Prior to this test, I had been playing a GD Tour AD XC-7X and I love the feel of that shaft. Once testing wraps up, I’m contemplating re-tipping that shaft or possibly grabbing a VF-7X. You guys are correct, those shafts pair up exceptionally well with LS Heads

I already built up an AD VR 6x with a TM tip just to give it a go in this head.

[Michael.Sandoval33]

Really weird range day today with the Max, thinking I should deloft back down to 10.5° or maybe even 9.5° as I was seeing super high trajectory without gaining much in distance. The fading was a bit less pronounced but still there. My irons were reaching similar totals at some points as they were in good shape today and not launching 45 yards in the air. Will have to come back after the weekend and some tweaks. Here is the Trackman showing:

Edited March 9 by Michael.Sandoval33

[BallsLeon]

Would be curious what your impact location is @Michael.Sandoval33, have you checked that view out on the Trackman at all (unsure if this is a standard feature). 

Helped me determine that I was teeing my ball too high, nearly hitting the crown that was producing sky balls. Also, the view is really neat after you hit some balls cause you can see an average impact location/heatmap.

[Michael.Sandoval33]

26 minutes ago, BallsLeon said:

Would be curious what your impact location is @Michael.Sandoval33, have you checked that view out on the Trackman at all (unsure if this is a standard feature). 

Helped me determine that I was teeing my ball too high, nearly hitting the crown that was producing sky balls. Also, the view is really neat after you hit some balls cause you can see an average impact location/heatmap.

Unfortunately on this outdoor trackman it doesn't have the ability to a show the impact points and today I forgot to bring my Dr. Scholls "Impact Spray" to check where the face was making contact. The launch angles are definitely higher than they were previously. So it could very well be tee placement.

Edit: I also have never hit the Qi10 this many times in one session. I think my disbelief at the results wore through.

Edited March 8 by Michael.Sandoval33