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On 5/16/2020 at 2:10 PM, tchat07 said:

@tchat07 definitely a different type of workout. We consistently have to tell people to be careful overtraining. Many want to do it every day or twice a day and we’ve never seen that to be of benefit. Neural fatigue is much different than a typical workout soreness and that day in between sessions is important. Adding a small amount more rest in between sets or switching clubs is ok. Watch the radar to see if your speed if falling during a session, then add a slight bit of rest the next session to see if that helps.

Traditional cardio often slows players down so we prefer more of the sprinting type cardio or strength training in the gym. 
 

Great quote, I'm going to have to use that haha. What's funny is just as I said that today's workout went better. I am going to throw the random question out there of has anyone from the old group found a way to handle the physical fatigue? More to that point does anyone do cardio exercising in their daily life which makes the swings easier?

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10 minutes ago, THEZIPR23 said:

If I remember correctly you and I had some of the same swing faults (not open enough at impact). If I remember incorrectly then this doesn't mean anything.

I have found that as I get more open at impact the ball flight definitely changes because my path changes. More pronounced with the irons vs driver. Could it be something along these lines and it is just a timing issue?

 

My path was very in to out with my miss being a hook (closing face too much).  I worked with the PlaneMate since January mid January and my path has been much more neutral and my face has been much more consistent (much smaller draws and very few hooks).

Since starting Super Speed, my path has gotten a little out to in and my face is wide open.  I had two shanks during my round yesterday and 4 or 5 at the range today.  I cannot tell you the last time I had a shank prior to sunday.

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2 minutes ago, jlukes said:

My path was very in to out with my miss being a hook (closing face too much).  I worked with the PlaneMate since January mid January and my path has been much more neutral and my face has been much more consistent (much smaller draws and very few hooks).

Since starting Super Speed, my path has gotten a little out to in and my face is wide open.  I had two shanks during my round yesterday and 4 or 5 at the range today.  I cannot tell you the last time I had a shank prior to sunday.

Ok so it is same issue as me just different than I remember (I have seen mine as far as 9* in to out).

I won't get in the way of your instructor. 

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1 minute ago, THEZIPR23 said:

Ok so it is same issue as me just different than I remember (I have seen mine as far as 9* in to out).

I won't get in the way of your instructor. 

I am sure it is posture and "standing up" out of the shot related, but it only seemed to get this extreme once I started the speed training.  Very frustrating, especially because I was striping my irons like never before in Jan-March

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I am sure it is posture and "standing up" out of the shot related, but it only seemed to get this extreme once I started the speed training.  Very frustrating, especially because I was striping my irons like never before in Jan-March
Story of my game. If the irons are on my driver sucks. If the wedges are on my putter sucks.

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2 hours ago, SuperSpeed Golf said:

 

Thx - neither the data nor the protocols are bothersome. I actually find that on occasion I swing faster with the step vs. the normal. My day 1, today was slightly better than the previous two days - so hopefully figuring this out. 

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1 minute ago, tchat07 said:

Story of my game. If the irons are on my driver sucks. If the wedges are on my putter sucks.

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Why should you be different 😂

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On 5/18/2020 at 12:39 PM, MIgregb said:

@MIgregb congrats on the gains already! Everyone has a potential max ceiling they can reach due to various factors including genetics and what types activities one did as a child. Due to the increases you have had you may be getting closer to that max. That being said, due to the weight of your driver you wouldn’t be able to swing as fast as the lighter SuperSpeed clubs so there most  likely would be potential to train the brain to move ever faster. 
After initial jump of 5% we then see another 3.5% or so within the second or third protocol. After that the gains are smaller and more individual. 
 

As you are already doing a good way to maximize the distance with your new speed would be to include drills focusing on centeredness of contact and optimizing launch conditions. Also, look into dialing in the clubs and ball from a fitting perspective.
 

I have a VERY loaded question for the testers, or actually anyone who might have an opinion. My question goes to your thoughts on the efficacy of the SuperSpeed Training System vs. other simpler (read: less expensive) methods.  

 

Hank Haney says making a golf swing 50 times a day will dramatically improve your swing. So just being bored this winter, along with hoping to do something to improve my swing speed for the season, I started swinging my driver in my living room every day. I started off with a top speed of 89 mph as indicated by my PRGR device. After several weeks of swinging & doing the left swing/right swing drills other on-line coaches suggest, my top speed was routinely in 99 to 100 range topping out at 102 a few times when all the stars aligned & my body cooperated. At the driving range my swing speed seems to top out at about 96 mph, but now I’m concentrating on hitting it straight rather than purely swinging faster. I don’t know what my swing speed was when hitting a ball before starting this exercise.

 

SuperSpeed doesn’t cite specific speed increases, at least from what I read, after the initial 5%, just that you’ll continue to see improvements as you continue the program. I’m a soon-to-be a 69-year-old guy and I’ve already increased my swing speed in the 11%+ range. So my question is: do you think there would be much of an advantage to the SuperSpeed Training System for someone like me?

 

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I have had a lot of high slices that started right and went right-er. I played today and front 9 was bad enough that I decided to pull the driver instead of 3W and try to work on it a bit. I tried making my grip a little stronger to hopefully counteract the open face and BOOM....

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I pulled it a bit but everything had been fading so it is not far from where I was trying to start it. This didn't fade, but man it felt good. Sort of a fluke, this was the next best.

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I wish I had the radar with me to measure a couple real swings.

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9 minutes ago, MaxEntropy said:

I have had a lot of high slices that started right and went right-er. I played today and front 9 was bad enough that I decided to pull the driver instead of 3W and try to work on it a bit. I tried making my grip a little stronger to hopefully counteract the open face and BOOM....

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I pulled it a bit but everything had been fading so it is not far from where I was trying to start it. This didn't fade, but man it felt good. Sort of a fluke, this was the next best.

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I wish I had the radar with me to measure a couple real swings.

Those are some major bombs! I'm glad to hear you were able to adjust on the fly and are seeing results. 

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On 5/18/2020 at 2:44 PM, ChasingScratch said:

@ChasingScratch Hi Tony, PRGR says that their unit measures up to 179 mph on anything so ball speed could be an issue for those that are very fast but club head speed should be ok. We’ve seen quite a few Launch Monitors struggle at high speeds when it gets over about 290 carry. 
We try to change the position of the radar and make sure it’s directly down the line. For a $200 retail unit it offers quite a bit. As always happy to trouble shoot further. 

 

Just finished my Week 2 day 1 training. I think I hit a PR on two of the exercises, but just 1mph faster for both.

Here’s the thing. I wonder if the PRGR struggles at faster swings. Reason being is I couldn’t get anywhere over 121mph with dry driver swings at the end of my session. So for fun I decided to try a “cruising swing” speed (85%) and a "golf course speed" (what I would swing on the course on a real golf hole). I was hitting 117ph, 118mph, and even 119mph with what felt like 85% effort and my golf course swings. Then I’d try all out effort and couldn’t get over 121mph (which I only hit twice, most were 118 or 119).  Recall that I have hit 130mph (just once) and 126mph.

Looking at the video (which I’ll post below) seems like there is substantial difference in speed (visually and sound), but only 2mph faster.  Maybe I'm crazy, but I don't want to just go off of "feel" when I could have objective data to go by.

Let me know if you all think the hard swing is more than 2mph faster than the others.  Maybe I'm crazy...

 

 

 

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On 5/28/2020 at 8:00 AM, tony@CIC said:

Not sure if it was the heat and humidity or recovery from the Memorial Day weekend - but yesterday's swings were lower with all of the sticks - most in the 3-4 mph range. Will be interesting to see what tomorrow brings, hopefully the numbers will be back up. 

Same thing just happened to me with the 1st session of Week 4...but I did spend a lot of time outside this weekend moving gravel / putting in a new pool liner

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On 5/20/2020 at 1:54 PM, Lacassem said:

@Lacassem the guys at TXG produce some great content. That heel stomp drill is in our more progressive protocols and definitely helps with speed and the way you use the ground. 
 

Dont want to take to much away from the superspeed training but that video is fantastic. around the 12 minute mark that stomping of the heel really reels in his dispersion and clearly jumps that speed way up. I have a lot of these tendencies already not as much rotation but the knee and heel action is simliar but my issue is staying down where i tend to already be upright at contact thats where I lose. Anyway back to the superspeed training sorry boys.

 

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On 5/22/2020 at 1:35 PM, YKodvavi said:

@YKodvavi make are you seeing any increases with the green blue or red clubs during the step change drill?
 

Ok. so I am not an official tester but wanted to share my week 1 results with y'all. I feel like a weekly check-in will keep me going and won't let me quit even when I stop seeing progress.

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Last Friday, I did more of a dry run to see where I stand before I start the program to set a baseline, I didn't do a warm-up and did the training at around mid-night.

The program officially started this past Monday, in the evenings with the Dynamic Warm-up, and we can see that with 3 days of training my Driver speed has increased by almost 5 MPH (ignore the Monday Driver After, as that was a misread but I couldn't get the PRGR to read the driver properly because of low light). All other speeds have more or less stayed consistent, I'm not exactly sure why, I can't find myself to break 111 MPH with the Green club in the final 3 swings, but I'm hopeful, I know I'll get there. 

Are there any tips that y'all can offer to get better results? 

 

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On 5/22/2020 at 5:56 PM, jlukes said:

@jlukes the fade or push is a little more common due to the increase in rotational velocity of the pelvis and torso while the face has trouble squaring up. For better players this can iron itself fairly quickly. However some ball flight control drills in combo can be of help. 
 

Yeah definitely not equipment or lag related. More related to how I am rotating and how active my hands are. 

 

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On 5/26/2020 at 9:30 PM, Getoffmylawn said:

@Getoffmylawn the general trend after a session will be a miss to the right. The torso and pelvis are rotating much faster and one leaves the face open. This often works itself out as you learn how the new speed feels in your body. Ball flight control type drills can benefit as well. 
The regular orange whip is more of a compliment to SuperSpeed. However we’ve seen for some that too many reps of that can slow the swing down due to its weight. It’s not built as a speed training device. You’ll see benefits on the lag sequencing and tempo sides. 
 

Not an MGS tester so I really don’t want to hijack the thread, but I just bought the Super Speed system last weekend, based largely on what I’m reading in this thread and the previous test thread.

Did my first Level 1 workout last night; my plan is to do it every MWF. That said, I am a little concerned about some of the feedback I’ve seen about spraying it once you actually tee it up, so I’m planning to do an Orange Whip session Tuesday and Thursday to try and preserve some tempo.

Is that a bad idea? Will Orange Whip practices in between neuter the brain reprogramming that Super Speed is trying to do? I certainly don’t go all out with the Orange Whip, I just would like to still keep it in bounds when I play while working through the Super Speed protocols. But, I also don’t want to render the protocols worthless.

Thoughts? (Again, hope this is okay to post here, don’t want to hijack anything.)

 

 

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On 5/27/2020 at 6:12 PM, cnosil said:

@cnosil try wearing a glove on each hand during the training. Also you can use a completely different grip than when you actually play and still see the same results 
 

I started doing the protocols during last years testing and stopped due to pain in my fingers but the 2020 thread inspired me to get started again.  The big question was where to start;  I was through 19 weeks so my thought was to start protocol 3 over again but I would judge based on numbers from my first session.  Having done most wanted driver testing,  I knew my swing speed on GC Quad was generally in the 106-108 range when making a normal shot.   Took a before number and swung at 108.   Started the protocol and my initial numbers were just under where I stopped last year so I think I am starting at a good place.   

Very quickly my fingers starting hurting like they were last year.  I thought that maybe I was holding the club to tight so I loosened my grip a little which helped with the pain but will be something I continue to monitor.    

Did a driver speed test after the session and recorded a top speed of 117.   

Thanks to all the people participating in the thread to help get me motivated to get started again!

 

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48 minutes ago, SuperSpeed Golf said:

 

I have the same tendencies! Very upright on contact, negative attack angle doesn’t help either. Been working on it. Would love to chat offline about this sometime! Love this super speed training and can’t wait to read some more reviews on them!

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15 minutes ago, SuperSpeed Golf said:

@cnosil try wearing a glove on each hand during the training. Also you can use a completely different grip than when you actually play and still see the same results 

Thanks for the response.  I saw that in one of your earlier posts and switched to a ten finger grip and it was 100% better.   

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Here’s some encouragement for those of you who are struggling a bit after 3 weeks. I’m 3 weeks into level 2, my second time through this stuff.

The guy in the distance is my good buddy. He and I are normally neck and neck distance wise, since I draw the ball and he fades it wind direction will often determine who’s longer.

Not today - after 1, I was longer on every hole, every time we both hit driver, sometimes by more than 25 yards.

I did have a few irons where I didn’t square it up but having been through this once I know that it’s short term. I’m trying to make it through all 72 weeks this time.

I hope SuperSpeed doesn’t mind that I’m only doing twice a week - at 63 I need more rest between protocols to achieve maximum speeds and protect my body.


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