Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News

[GolfSpy_APH]

There are some very key points within the OWGR and how it works which should be addressed. There are upwards of 15 different qualifications that any tour needs to meet in order to gain OWGR points. There are some grey areas LIV can take advantage of and yes PGA Tour China got an excemption early, however if you look at the name PGA TOUR should be highlighted as it was essentially an branch off the PGA Tour not it's own individual tour entirely. 

Keep in mind many man other tours have been forced to have and meet these standards in order to gain OWGR, handing LIV a free pass would actually be more anticompetitive and unfair to all the leagues that went through and spent the money before to meet these criteria. 

So lets get into this 
1. A tour must operate at least 10 events a year - Check
2. Those must have a min purse of $50,00 - Check
3. An average field size of 75 - Not there yet, but talk of them expanding larger events internationally to 144 which would help offset this and provided they expand enough they can get the average to 75, but the format must change.
4. Events must be at minimum 54 holes (Check) but with a cut after 36 holes (no check). Again yes there are some exceptions to this rule, however it took any tournament that doesn't reach this criteria years to gain the allowance of OWGR points.
5. OWGR requires that a tour provide a pathway for its player onto the full-member tour. In order for this to work for them they must work directly with the Asian Tour by guaranteeing cards for top X amount of finishers. So again partial check. 
6. OWGR Requires a tour hold a qualifying school before the start of the season or a qualifying process into each event... yeah no, don't meet this one. 
**note LIV has a plan for this, but it will take 1-2 full seasons to implement**
7. OWGR Requires that a tour be in operation for at least one full season meeting all the above requirements. (no check and this is where LIV argues about PGA China)

I'm not going to say it is a slam dunk any way or another. There is a ton of grey area and in the end it will be the Majors that decide whether LIV gets OWGR points, however with all the big names exempt for the next couple seasons anyway (again urge anyone to listen to the NLU podcast where DJ dives into this big) why should by pass making LIV meet all of this? **There is a OWGR board who votes on all of this made up of 7 I believe and all the Majors have their own vote**

Now while this is all going on and we/anyone truly doesn't know how long it will take to get reviewed (the official application was only submitted July 6th) with the new OWGR changes as I previously elluded to takes into account the whole field. Meaning Mexico this year would have been awful because it was Rahm and nobody else really. Whereas this year because Rahm was in it he boosted them big time. There needs to be an even balance of high ranked players in order to truly get a better strength of field. 

Meanwhile now that Major season is over all the LIV guys will not be gaining points. Loosing spots, dropping down the rankings and for reference it takes roughly 30 weeks total to drop out of the top 100. So say even if this all settles and the fog lifts from this mess in say 8 months in time for the Masters and start of next years Major season most if not all these guys are going to be outside the top 100 and given that they will have no way outside of pulling in new guys of getting a strength of field to boost their events and rankings for winning them. 

So how do guys that are now outside of the top 100 now get more points to boos their standings and therefore strength of field? Well they have to play well at the Majors for one and likely have to play more Asian Tour events... which if we remember for many of them said they wanted to go to have more time off. However with 14 events scheduled next season 4 majors and now Asian tour events to try and keep their OWGR ranking they will be playing way more then they would have had they stayed. 

This is a long post, but seriously there is a long road ahead it won't be pretty and there is going to be a lot of nonsense moving forward however there are regulations that many many other tours have had to put in place like the DP World Tour, Japan Golf Tour, Sunshine Tour, PGA Tour of Australia and Asian Tour which have been made to follow all of the points above and more before getting access to OWGR. LIV should be no different, doesn't matter who went over, bending or ignoring all the regulations which others have been made to follow could open up cases for other tours to sue and so much more. 

 

[DaveP043]

23 minutes ago, MGoBlue100 said:

Just depends on who those players are that sign with LIV. If they adjust their model, went 72 holes and potentially 72 players (18 four man teams) they could qualify for decent OWGR points. LIV is certainly in a better position to revamp their model than the PGA Tour. Fourteen guaranteed money tournaments and the majors for those who are qualified might look pretty good to a lot of the top 50 players. 

But increasing the demands on LIV players to 14 events, in addition (potentially) to the Majors, and increasing the tournament to 72 holes would remove every advantage presented, except for the money.  They'd be working just as hard, playing just as much.  No extra time for the family, no relief from the stress, just that horrible grind.  Of course, its not as much of a grind if you're guaranteed millions of bucks for just showing up.  

[THEZIPR23]

19 minutes ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

There are some very key points within the OWGR and how it works which should be addressed. There are upwards of 15 different qualifications that any tour needs to meet in order to gain OWGR points. There are some grey areas LIV can take advantage of and yes PGA Tour China got an excemption early, however if you look at the name PGA TOUR should be highlighted as it was essentially an branch off the PGA Tour not it's own individual tour entirely. 

Keep in mind many man other tours have been forced to have and meet these standards in order to gain OWGR, handing LIV a free pass would actually be more anticompetitive and unfair to all the leagues that went through and spent the money before to meet these criteria. 

So lets get into this 
1. A tour must operate at least 10 events a year - Check
2. Those must have a min purse of $50,00 - Check
3. An average field size of 75 - Not there yet, but talk of them expanding larger events internationally to 144 which would help offset this and provided they expand enough they can get the average to 75, but the format must change.
4. Events must be at minimum 54 holes (Check) but with a cut after 36 holes (no check). Again yes there are some exceptions to this rule, however it took any tournament that doesn't reach this criteria years to gain the allowance of OWGR points.
5. OWGR requires that a tour provide a pathway for its player onto the full-member tour. In order for this to work for them they must work directly with the Asian Tour by guaranteeing cards for top X amount of finishers. So again partial check. 
6. OWGR Requires a tour hold a qualifying school before the start of the season or a qualifying process into each event... yeah no, don't meet this one. 
**note LIV has a plan for this, but it will take 1-2 full seasons to implement**
7. OWGR Requires that a tour be in operation for at least one full season meeting all the above requirements. (no check and this is where LIV argues about PGA China)

I'm not going to say it is a slam dunk any way or another. There is a ton of grey area and in the end it will be the Majors that decide whether LIV gets OWGR points, however with all the big names exempt for the next couple seasons anyway (again urge anyone to listen to the NLU podcast where DJ dives into this big) why should by pass making LIV meet all of this? **There is a OWGR board who votes on all of this made up of 7 I believe and all the Majors have their own vote**

Now while this is all going on and we/anyone truly doesn't know how long it will take to get reviewed (the official application was only submitted July 6th) with the new OWGR changes as I previously elluded to takes into account the whole field. Meaning Mexico this year would have been awful because it was Rahm and nobody else really. Whereas this year because Rahm was in it he boosted them big time. There needs to be an even balance of high ranked players in order to truly get a better strength of field. 

Meanwhile now that Major season is over all the LIV guys will not be gaining points. Loosing spots, dropping down the rankings and for reference it takes roughly 30 weeks total to drop out of the top 100. So say even if this all settles and the fog lifts from this mess in say 8 months in time for the Masters and start of next years Major season most if not all these guys are going to be outside the top 100 and given that they will have no way outside of pulling in new guys of getting a strength of field to boost their events and rankings for winning them. 

So how do guys that are now outside of the top 100 now get more points to boos their standings and therefore strength of field? Well they have to play well at the Majors for one and likely have to play more Asian Tour events... which if we remember for many of them said they wanted to go to have more time off. However with 14 events scheduled next season 4 majors and now Asian tour events to try and keep their OWGR ranking they will be playing way more then they would have had they stayed. 

This is a long post, but seriously there is a long road ahead it won't be pretty and there is going to be a lot of nonsense moving forward however there are regulations that many many other tours have had to put in place like the DP World Tour, Japan Golf Tour, Sunshine Tour, PGA Tour of Australia and Asian Tour which have been made to follow all of the points above and more before getting access to OWGR. LIV should be no different, doesn't matter who went over, bending or ignoring all the regulations which others have been made to follow could open up cases for other tours to sue and so much more. 

 

I think that LIV will meet these criteria at some point, they have proven that they will change. The bigger problem for them is the people serving on the board of the OWGR. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

Just now, THEZIPR23 said:

I think that LIV will meet these criteria at some point, they have proven that they will change. The bigger problem for them is the people serving on the board of the OWGR. 

Again the key is at what point? If it is too late the players involved with LIV will have to somehow play catch up. The main guys are in the Majors for a while anyway, it's guys like Gooch and Ancer who will be hurt the most. Brooks, DJ, Phil, Bryson and Reed all have exemptions for a little while which means the OWGR doesn't matter as much to them. Which could beg the question, who do you think LIV cares about more? Their big names or the guys like Ancer? Maybe it isn't quite as important to them to get it through right away because their big names aren't effected as much by it... at least for now. 

[TBS]

10 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

But increasing the demands on LIV players to 14 events, in addition (potentially) to the Majors, and increasing the tournament to 72 holes would remove every advantage presented, except for the money.  They'd be working just as hard, playing just as much.  No extra time for the family, no relief from the stress, just that horrible grind.  Of course, its not as much of a grind if you're guaranteed millions of bucks for just showing up.  

Not to mention more travel... INTERNATIONAL TRAVEL! I can't wait to see this play out. Do you think any LIV guys will break their contract?

[chisag]

1 hour ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

This is very much on the line, just careful treading here. 

 

... Since 2 events are held at his courses I was hoping he could be mentioned. After all he owned courses and was a business man loooong before entering politics. So only relating to his business and as a business man he went bankrupt 11 times. He did not pay contractors that did work for him on his courses and buildings telling them to take a fraction of what the agreed payment and if they didn't like it, take him to court which would cost them time and money. He bragged about not paying taxes. Is that the kind of business man any golf tour wants to be associated with? 

... And does the owner of 2 courses hosting LIV exhibitions respect golf?


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156912159646509 

[GolfSpy_APH]

7 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Since 2 events are held at his courses I was hoping he could be mentioned. After all he owned courses and was a business man loooong before entering politics. So only relating to his business and as a business man he went bankrupt 11 times. He did not pay contractors that did work for him on his courses and buildings telling them to take a fraction of what the agreed payment and if they didn't like it, take him to court which would cost them time and money. He bragged about not paying taxes. Is that the kind of business man any golf tour wants to be associated with? 

... And does the owner of 2 courses hosting LIV exhibitions respect golf?


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156912159646509 

Of course from a golf side and aspect there are valuable questions to ask and talk about inregards to Trump. It is as I said just to be very careful treading. 

[Berg Ryman]

Man, with all these opinions about right and wrong I wish you guys were around in the mid to late 90's during the Monday Night Wrestling wars. Old guard WWF vs. new upstart WCW. So many guys jumping ship back and forth between the promotions, audacious claims and money being spent, and one of them flaming out spectacularly as part of a merger and a shift in corporate ethos, and crazy internal creative decisions. 

It is true, everything is just pro wrestling.

[Shapotomous]

31 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... Since 2 events are held at his courses I was hoping he could be mentioned. After all he owned courses and was a business man loooong before entering politics. So only relating to his business and as a business man he went bankrupt 11 times. He did not pay contractors that did work for him on his courses and buildings telling them to take a fraction of what the agreed payment and if they didn't like it, take him to court which would cost them time and money. He bragged about not paying taxes. Is that the kind of business man any golf tour wants to be associated with? 

... And does the owner of 2 courses hosting LIV exhibitions respect golf?


https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=10156912159646509 

People seem to have a short memory regarding The Donald's repeated business failings.  LIV should think twice about having Trump on their side...he is not the best guy to have backing a start up league ....unless you want to win $1.  

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/11/the-day-donald-trumps-narcissism-killed-the-usfl

 

[RickyBobby_PR]

20 minutes ago, Berg Ryman said:

Man, with all these opinions about right and wrong I wish you guys were around in the mid to late 90's during the Monday Night Wrestling wars. Old guard WWF vs. new upstart WCW. So many guys jumping ship back and forth between the promotions, audacious claims and money being spent, and one of them flaming out spectacularly as part of a merger and a shift in corporate ethos, and crazy internal creative decisions. 

It is true, everything is just pro wrestling.

But they were jumping ship after contracts were over or do they were released they had to wait out their no compete clauses. They weren’t working Smackdown then jumping to nitro on Monday or flipping between nitro and raw based on who they were booked to wrestle.

it’s not even a close comparison 

[Berg Ryman]

This is what I'll say about Trump as a business man and also getting involved with LIV, since I know that if I continue down this road I'm right in the ban window.

On the surface it makes perfect sense for him to pair with LIV, and vice versa. For him, it allows his properties to be used since he's basically become persona non grata with the PGA and USGA due to his opinions and thoughts in the political space. For LIV, it isn't just the fact that he's done deals with the Arab world before, it's the fact that there is no one alive better at spinning and forcing a narrative to bend to his will by just straight up lies and mythmaking than Donald Trump.

As mentioned before, his business record is littered with completely failures and bombs, but everyone had at one point, at least until he was president, this idea of great business man Donald Trump just because he was always in your face about it and never admitted to any failings. He shares so much of that DNA with both Greg Norman and LIV that this marriage just makes all the sense in the world.

[DaveP043]

6 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

People seem to have a short memory regarding The Donald's repeated business failings.  LIV should think twice about having Trump on their side...he is not the best guy to have backing a start up league ....unless you want to win $1.  

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/sep/11/the-day-donald-trumps-narcissism-killed-the-usfl

 

Trump is not backing the LIV Tour, he's being paid to host 2 tournaments.  He's being profitting from the Saudis just like the players are.

[Middler]

2 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

DJ is considered boring and unintelligent by fans when he speaks 

Sergio Garcia isn’t a fan favorite in the US based on golf forums and Facebook groups

Koepka has a bunch of detractors 

Bryson has the persona for some that he’s not as smart as he thinks and that his approach is too sciency and a turn off.

Reed is hated because he’s a “cheater” except when he’s playing well at a Ryder/Presidents cup.

+1. It also seems clear that Koepka and Bryson are running into injury issues, and they may realize their shelf life may well be shorter than previous generations.

So far no one that clearly matters to the PGA has defected, DJ is the only possible exception. Cam Smith would be a blow after the year he's had on the PGA Tour, especially if he waits until after the FedEx (and does well there).

[Middler]

16 minutes ago, DaveP043 said:

Trump is not backing the LIV Tour, he's being paid to host 2 tournaments.  He's being profitting from the Saudis just like the players are.

It's that simple. There's no partnership of any kind, it's all about who's paying Trump and who's not, period - that's why his comments are utter BS. He couldn't care less where the money comes from. If LIV moves on, he'll bash them instantly.

[RickyBobby_PR]

7 minutes ago, Middler said:

+1. It also seems clear that Koepka and Bryson are running into injury issues, and they may realize their shelf life may well be shorter than previous generations.

So far no one that clearly matters to the PGA has defected, DJ is the only possible exception. Cam Smith would be a blow after the year he's had on the PGA Tour, especially if he waits until after the FedEx (and does well there).

DJ and possibly Gooch and Ancer. While neither of them are big names they have played some consistent golf over the last year plus and both have a victory.

Reading about the crowd at the recent liv event it seems like local fans will go out and watch a pro event with players that have name recognition and those that don’t get the typical small followings around the course if any.

I don’t think there will be a noticeable decline of in person attendance at events on the pga tour and tv audiences on the weekend always vary based on who’s on the first page of the leaderboard. Some people despite their lack of being a fan for some golfers would rather watch them try to win than some no name.it’s fans are wishy wash imo. We see guys on forums post about not liking a bunch of big names then turn around and post about not wanting to watch no names or mid level players win some of the smaller events 

[LICC]

18 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

DJ and possibly Gooch and Ancer. While neither of them are big names they have played some consistent golf over the last year plus and both have a victory.

Reading about the crowd at the recent liv event it seems like local fans will go out and watch a pro event with players that have name recognition and those that don’t get the typical small followings around the course if any.

I don’t think there will be a noticeable decline of in person attendance at events on the pga tour and tv audiences on the weekend always vary based on who’s on the first page of the leaderboard. Some people despite their lack of being a fan for some golfers would rather watch them try to win than some no name.it’s fans are wishy wash imo. We see guys on forums post about not liking a bunch of big names then turn around and post about not wanting to watch no names or mid level players win some of the smaller events 

Gooch and Ancer are inconsequential. New guys will move up on the PGA Tour and be just as interesting to watch or more. Look at Cameron Young's rise this year. 

[Thin2win]

1 hour ago, Middler said:

+1. It also seems clear that Koepka and Bryson are running into injury issues, and they may realize their shelf life may well be shorter than previous generations.

So far no one that clearly matters to the PGA has defected, DJ is the only possible exception. Cam Smith would be a blow after the year he's had on the PGA Tour, especially if he waits until after the FedEx (and does well there).

 

1 hour ago, LICC said:

Gooch and Ancer are inconsequential. New guys will move up on the PGA Tour and be just as interesting to watch or more. Look at Cameron Young's rise this year. 

I'm curious from your view, who would be consequential? The Tour has lots of good players... but it(and golf in general) has very low viewership and the the OEMs are mostly on record saying that only Tiger provides any sort or product bump.

[GaDawg]

On 7/18/2022 at 10:00 AM, LICC said:

Based on Smith's response to the question yesterday whether he was joining LIV, it seems a sure thing that he is. You are right that he should renegotiate based on his win yesterday. That changes everything. 

Rumors are that Stenson is joining LIV and will be stripped of his Ryder Cup captaincy, and that Lieshmann and Bubba Watson are also going. None of them are a big deal and Smith wouldn't have been so big a deal if he didn't win yesterday. But getting the British Open Champion the week he won is a big get for LIV. Oh Rory, I was rooting for you.

Regarding every golfer that has joined, you always say " it's no big deal". I think you need to wake up!

[Thin2win]

3 hours ago, GolfSpy_APH said:

There are some very key points within the OWGR and how it works which should be addressed. There are upwards of 15 different qualifications that any tour needs to meet in order to gain OWGR points....

This is a long post, but seriously there is a long road ahead it won't be pretty and there is going to be a lot of nonsense moving forward however there are regulations that many many other tours have had to put in place like the DP World Tour, Japan Golf Tour, Sunshine Tour, PGA Tour of Australia and Asian Tour which have been made to follow all of the points above and more before getting access to OWGR. LIV should be no different, doesn't matter who went over, bending or ignoring all the regulations which others have been made to follow could open up cases for other tours to sue and so much more. 

 

 

3 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

But increasing the demands on LIV players to 14 events, in addition (potentially) to the Majors, and increasing the tournament to 72 holes would remove every advantage presented, except for the money.  They'd be working just as hard, playing just as much.  No extra time for the family, no relief from the stress, just that horrible grind.  Of course, its not as much of a grind if you're guaranteed millions of bucks for just showing up.  

Yeah, OWGR will be interesting. There is precedent for some of the stuff that LIV will dispute. The WGC events and the Hero Event show that some limited field and no cut events get OWGR. 

LIV going up to 14 or 20 events in the future might or might not matter for the individual players. No way of knowing what DJ's contract says, does he have to play in every LIV event or just 8 a year or 12 a year, etc. So adding events might add travel, or not.

[LICC]

17 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

 

I'm curious from your view, who would be consequential? The Tour has lots of good players... but it(and golf in general) has very low viewership and the the OEMs are mostly on record saying that only Tiger provides any sort or product bump.

Rory definitely. JT, Rahm. Sheffler. Cam Smith now is consequential. Spieth. At a lesser level, maybe Morikawa. Xander and Cantlay.

[LICC]

19 minutes ago, GaDawg said:

Regarding every golfer that has joined, you always say " it's no big deal". I think you need to wake up!

You haven't read what I've written. I said DJ is a big deal. I said Cam Smith would be a big get. I said Bryson has a following. You need to open your eyes and read!

Edited July 19, 2022 by LICC

[chisag]

20 minutes ago, LICC said:

I said DJ is a big deal.

 

... I can't be the only one that couldn't care less about never seeing DJ again. For such a great player he looks like he is on the verge of taking a nap not only in the middle of a round but down the stretch when some angst or exuberance adds to the drama of any golf tournament. 

[Undershooter]

59 minutes ago, Thin2win said:

 

Yeah, OWGR will be interesting. There is precedent for some of the stuff that LIV will dispute. The WGC events and the Hero Event show that SOME limited field and no cut events get OWGR. 

LIV going up to 14 or 20 events in the future might or might not matter for the individual players. No way of knowing what DJ's contract says, does he have to play in every LIV event or just 8 a year or 12 a year, etc. So adding events might add travel, or not.

Some limited field/ no cut events is the key here. The majority of a tours events must be of a minimum field size and have a cut. This is what allows the WGCs and what not to get OWGR points. They make up 10ish% of the schedule. Also, the Hero went a decade before receiving OWGR points, and honestly I wish they'd strip it of them because the field is so small. 

 

As far as who matters if they leave that's actually in question: Hideki 

The number being floated around his leaving is larger than anyone outside of Tiger and Rory's. While it may not matter as much to those of us who are stateside, that would be a massive hit in the Asian markets. He's their version of Tiger and losing him would hurt the PGA Tour.

[Stuka44]

Ok maybe I do get on my soapbox a little sorry!  All I would say is that the PGA runs golf tournaments.  They did not invent the players/ "employees"  product.  The product at this point has clearly become the players themselves, and their ablility to draw fans to the tournaments which, up until now the PGA was the most lucrative, way for them contribute to use and demonstrate their individual abilities.  Clearly there is another option now.  I'm not sure that running a golf tournament where prize money is paid out has been patented by the PGA, that is all they do.  The PGA in my opinion doesn't have a product, that is the difference between the PGA and private industry.  Sure Bill Gates could restrict employees who learned the inner workings of Microsoft from taking those ideas to other companies.  Because the product was something Bill Gates "created".  The PGA did not create the golfers, and the golfers abilities that is the product the PGA uses make money "as a "non Profit".

I am not an attorney, and I could be wrong, and I know the legal aspects of non-profits are well beyond my abilities.  But I would close with this.  Major League Baseball  just paid 185 Million dollars to settle a suit from minor league baseball players, because there were rules put in place by Major League owners, to prevent minor league teams from paying players for spring training, and other non season time that was required of them.  Hey minor leaguers signed the contacts, that the rules they agreed to from MLB.  Any rule is fine until someone challenges it.  

Now maybe the rule the PGA has in place will be upheld in court as legitimate that the players can be banned from PGA tournaments if they play somewhere else.  But as a "non-profit", that would seem a little bit like  St. Judes Childrens Hospital attempting to prevent me from donating to the American Cancer Society, and still getting the tax deduction benefit, because I chose to donate to them first.  

Again I want both to succeed, this just more and more seems like, "its my ball, and if I can't be team captain! Then I am going to take my ball and go home! on the PGA's part.  I believe the situation is a little worse for them than perhaps they think

 

Edited July 21, 2022 by stuka44

[Headhammer]

22 hours ago, DaveP043 said:

Lots of "names" come and go, and someone steps up to replace them.  Anthony Kim?  David Duval burned hot, and then disappeared.  Jason Day, a huge talent, and then nearly invisible primarily due to injuries.  Does anyone (outside of his family) miss seeing Taylor Gooch play PGA Tour events?  There are tons of hugely talented players just waiting for their chance on the big stage, I don't think the competitive nature of the Tour, or the Ryder Cup, will be damaged by a few more defections.

[RickyBobby_PR]

33 minutes ago, stuka44 said:

The PGA in my opinion doesn't have a product, that is the difference between the PGA and private industry. 

The PGA tour absolutely does have a product and it’s also a business. The product is golf and golf tournaments and it’s no different than the NBA, NFL, MLB, NHL. They also have products and each team along with each league is a business.

35 minutes ago, stuka44 said:

Sure Bill Gates could restrict employees who learned the inner workings of Microsoft from taking those ideas to other companies.  Because the product was something Bill Gates "created". 

Bill created a product as part of a company. To grow that company he needed to expand the business/company, he brought in employees and they helped take the idea(s) and make them function and able to be sold. One doesn’t need to create something to be considered as owning a products. There’s computer companies that make zero parts and are basically use parts other people created and put them together in a manner that creates their spin on the computer whether it’s for gaming, home, office or school use. They would protect their business in the same manner as professionals sports or other business would when their business/product is being threatened.

 

40 minutes ago, stuka44 said:

Now maybe the rule the PGA has in place will be upheld in court as legitimate that the players can be banned from PGA tournaments if they play somewhere else.  But as a "non-profit", that would seem a little bit like  St. Judes Childrens Hospital attempting to prevent me from donating to the American Cancer Society, and still getting the tax deduction benefit, because I chose to donate to them first.  

Again I want both to succeed, this just more and more seems like, "its my ball, and if I can't be team captain! Then I am going to take my ball and go home! on the PGA's part.  I believe the situation is a little worse for them than perhaps they think

Each of the tour event is a charity event. This is why the PGA tour is considered non profit or where they get that stays from. But like any non profit employees and such still get paid and that money has to come from somewhere. The tour itself is a member organization and they have a member board with players on it. These members all have an agreement in place with the tour. The tour is saying you have two choices, honor the agreement or you won’t be allowed to play. No different than most employees when it comes to things like conflict of interest. In my job I’m prevented from working for a competitor in any capacity whether it’s doing the same job I do for my company or something something completely unrelated. I have to submit paperwork requesting permission for certain type of outside work.

So far not a single player has challenged the PGA tour in court and several have resigned their membership. I’m guessing their legal council did the necessary research around a lawsuit and said the chances of winning are low if not zero. The only legal challenge so far has been from European players against th DP World Tour in Europe. Different laws and rules.

Unless it’s not been made public Greg Norman hasn’t filed his antitrust suit yet either, however the DOJ is looking into so time will tell. But even if the DOj says so there will some legal battle that will have to play out in the courts 

[shootmyage]

after my 8y 3m 10 day military went to work at a defence electronic company in az for 30 years as a employee , i could not work for a competitor , i took a buyout , went to illinois and bought 200a farm , too much work , sold it my wife and i came back to scottsdale  , i went to work for the same company i retired from as a job shopper ( contract labor like pga players )., did not sign any agreement as whow i could work for after hours .

the pga will lose in court , the only chance they would have  is to make all active players employees , give the  150 starting players each $5000 for the week ( $750,000 )  , if they make the cut money they earn  is just gravy 

the phoenix open numbers -- over 700,000 people for the week avg $60 a ticket is 42 million , over 1000 volunteers that have to buy their own shirts 

this would not break the pga

Edited July 20, 2022 by shootmyage

[RickyBobby_PR]

11 minutes ago, shootmyage said:

after my 8y 3m 10 day military went to work at a defence electronic company in az for 30 years as a employee , i could not work for a competitor , i took a buyout , went to illinois and bought 200a farm , too much work , sold it my wife and i came back to scottsdale  , i went to work for the same company i retired from as a job shopper ( contract labor like pga players )., did not sign any agreement as whow i could work for after hours .

the pga will lose in court , the only chance they would have  is to make all active players employees , give the  150 starting players each $5000 for the week ( $750,000 )  , if they make the cut money they earn  is just gravy 

this would not break the pga

On what grounds will they lose? You keep saying they will lose but you don’t say why? If it was such a guarantee then why haven’t any of the pga tour players filled a lawsuit including your favorite guy Phil the thrill.

[shootmyage]

33 minutes ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

On what grounds will they lose? You keep saying they will lose but you don’t say why? If it was such a guarantee then why haven’t any of the pga tour players filled a lawsuit including your favorite guy Phil the thrill.

the key word is  " contractors " the pga little brother lost a lawsuit , that sets a precedent that US courts can lean on

[RickyBobby_PR]

16 minutes ago, shootmyage said:

the key word is  " contractors " the pga little brother lost a lawsuit , that sets a precedent that US courts can lean on

While they may be independent contractors in that they aren’t employees, they are members of an membership organization so from a legal standpoint it’s a good chance that precedent doesn’t apply. And again if it was such an easy win the players that want to have their cake and eat it too would have already filed lawsuits. Why wouldn’t they take their guaranteed money from LIV and play those events and skip the pga event then when they aren’t playing LIV events play the pga tour events they prefer, which is what they wanted when they applied for exemptions. It would be a win win for them

In reality it’s more the fans and mostly forum members saying the tour messed up or his the bad guy. The players are moving on at this point. Sergio just came out and said he’s likely to quit the DP World Tour because of how’s he’s being treated by fans and golfers.