Liv Golf Central Thread: Events and News

[shootmyage]

8 hours ago, LICC said:

I agree with your take. Slumbers comments hit LIV and Norman hard. He called out the "grow the game" nonsense from Norman and the LIV players.

https://golf.com/news/martin-slumbers-liv-golf-driven-money/

 

 3rd grade PGA commissioner to LIV golfers - wait till you get to Scotland i will have my older brother beat you up , how sad .

Look at mickelson (  45 wins 6 majors ) in the top 10 American.golfers in the last 60 years , lifetime PGA member and they treat him like they are doing . 

[chisag]

5 minutes ago, shootmyage said:

wait till you get to Scotland

 

... I found this a great read:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/golf-at-st-andrews-is-real-which-is-why-it-has-no-room-for-greg-norman/ar-AAZuCls?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=51b080259afd42d5b1d90fd64888f850

[shootmyage]

8 minutes ago, chisag said:

 

... I found this a great read:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/golf-at-st-andrews-is-real-which-is-why-it-has-no-room-for-greg-norman/ar-AAZuCls?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=51b080259afd42d5b1d90fd64888f850

 

[shootmyage]

i'm in scottsdale ,  usga 12, 84 yrs old  , love shooting my age , lowest index at papago old course men's club was a 4 . 

it's just a game not a nuke war ,  i have 12 yrs military but now i love playing golf .

[Bang60]

3 hours ago, shootmyage said:

i'm in scottsdale ,  usga 12, 84 yrs old  , love shooting my age , lowest index at papago old course men's club was a 4 . 

it's just a game not a nuke war ,  i have 12 yrs military but now i love playing golf .

That's funny your not from Sydney? Played with a guy 84 years old and played off 4, down the middle 99% of the time and deadly short game and not bad putting...

[LICC]

13 hours ago, shootmyage said:

 3rd grade PGA commissioner to LIV golfers - wait till you get to Scotland i will have my older brother beat you up , how sad .

Look at mickelson (  45 wins 6 majors ) in the top 10 American.golfers in the last 60 years , lifetime PGA member and they treat him like they are doing . 

You left out that Mickelson also engaged in attacking the PGA Tour and has been quite disingenuous in his public comments.

[TBS]

13 hours ago, shootmyage said:

i'm in scottsdale ,  usga 12, 84 yrs old  , love shooting my age , lowest index at papago old course men's club was a 4 . 

it's just a game not a nuke war ,  i have 12 yrs military but now i love playing golf .

I'm unsure what point you are actually trying to make to contribute to this thread.

[LICC]

14 hours ago, chisag said:

 

... I found this a great read:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/golf/golf-at-st-andrews-is-real-which-is-why-it-has-no-room-for-greg-norman/ar-AAZuCls?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=51b080259afd42d5b1d90fd64888f850

"The PGA Tour has every right to oppose its members appearing in unranked, unapproved junk that will compromise or dilute the quality of the game"

[shootmyage]

45 minutes ago, TBS said:

I'm unsure what point you are actually trying to make to contribute to this thread.

it was to chisag   

[Vegan_Golfer_PNW]

Report out that players that left for LIV will be banned from all 2023 majors.

 

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/report-liv-players-to-be-banned-from-four-majors-next-year

[LICC]

3 hours ago, Vegan_Golfer_PNW said:

Report out that players that left for LIV will be banned from all 2023 majors.

 

https://www.golfmonthly.com/news/report-liv-players-to-be-banned-from-four-majors-next-year

That article had no new information. The organizers of the majors haven't said or done anything.

If they do nothing but maintain their existing qualification criteria, most LIV players wouldn't qualify next year anyway. The LIV events will not have any OWGR points going into next year. The LIV players who have won the Masters would always be eligible for the Masters, and the others who have won a major in the last 5 years would have eligibility until that exemption expires. They could also play to qualify in the Opens, but I doubt many would do that.

[cnosil]

1 hour ago, LICC said:

The LIV players who have won the Masters would always be eligible for the Masters,

Not always;  only until they are 65 or they implement a new rule. 

[MattWillGolf]

I sure glad I’m not one of Chuck’s relatives.
 

[RickyBobby_PR]

On 7/13/2022 at 1:45 AM, Bang60 said:

Developing yourself to be the best and picking your opponent is "Golf 101" as in lots of sports, plus the Top 10 golfers in the world can afford to stay with the PGA. I watched Jack's press conference and agree with his comments on Greg and Liv golf, they've been friends along time and will always be friends but they disagree on Liv golf.  So the rest can please them themselves, I think the players gone to Liv have realized they are unlikely to win on the PGA tour so let's take the cash...

Have you looked at the leaderboard for The Open? A few of them in the top 10.

But to think that DJ, Brooks, Bryson still cant win on the PGA tour is a little silly.

Or that someone like Talor Gooch or Abraham Ancsr who have won in the last year or so doesn’t have a chance despite being in the top 50 in the world and Gooch in the top 20 of FedEx is also pushing silly 

[LICC]

19 hours ago, cnosil said:

Not always;  only until they are 65 or they implement a new rule. 

Technically, but do you have an example of a Masters champion who was disallowed to play at age 66?

[cnosil]

30 minutes ago, LICC said:

Technically, but do you have an example of a Masters champion who was disallowed to play at age 66?

Doug Ford, Gay Brewer and Billy Casper were asked discontinue active participation because they were no longer competitive. Brewer was so offended, he refused to show up for this year's Champions Dinner or even attend the tournament.  Sandy Lyle will be the next one not allowed to participate as he will be 65 next year.  
 

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2002-04-26-0204250875-story.html

 

 

[LICC]

2 hours ago, cnosil said:

Doug Ford, Gay Brewer and Billy Casper were asked discontinue active participation because they were no longer competitive. Brewer was so offended, he refused to show up for this year's Champions Dinner or even attend the tournament.  Sandy Lyle will be the next one not allowed to participate as he will be 65 next year.  
 

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/fl-xpm-2002-04-26-0204250875-story.html

 

 

Nope, they haven't implemented an age limit. From 2003:

Augusta, Georgia - Augusta have scrapped a controversial plan to introduce an age limit of 65 years for past champions to compete in The Masters.

Hootie Johnson, chairman of Augusta National Golf Club and the Masters Tournament, said that the lifetime exemption for past champions will remain a Masters qualification.

"After discussions with Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus, the Club has decided not to implement the past champions qualification change next year," Johnson said.

"Arnold, Jack and I agree that past winners should be able to play as long as they'd like, so long as they feel they remain competitive. We will count on our champions to know when their playing careers at the Masters have come to an end."

--

2019: That was when the membership began sending letters to some past champions—Gay Brewer and Billy Casper in addition to Ford—telling them they were always welcome at the Masters but perhaps they should just come for the Champions dinner and play the Par-3 Contest and practice rounds. The club also announced that it would, in future, ask past champions to stop playing after 65.

An uproar followed. Both Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus, full-fledged club members (all champions are honorary members) asked the club to reconsider. Palmer, who was 72 at the time, announced that 2002 would be his final Masters. When he was asked prior to the tournament why he was going to stop playing he smiled and said, “I didn’t want to get a letter.”

That was the problem with the “Ford Rule.” It was selective. The club was never going to ask Palmer or Nicklaus or Watson or Crenshaw to stop playing. Champions like Brewer or (oddly) Casper or George Archer or Tommy Aaron would be another story.

The club relented.

Edited July 15, 2022 by LICC

[Bang60]

4 hours ago, RickyBobby_PR said:

Have you looked at the leaderboard for The Open? A few of them in the top 10.

But to think that DJ, Brooks, Bryson still cant win on the PGA tour is a little silly.

Or that someone like Talor Gooch or Abraham Ancsr who have won in the last year or so doesn’t have a chance despite being in the top 50 in the world and Gooch in the top 20 of FedEx is also pushing silly 

Now your being ridiculously silly, I never mentioned any of those names you have. Go back and read what I said with an open mind, unbelievable...

[cnosil]

2 hours ago, LICC said:

Nope, they haven't implemented an age limit. From 2003:

 

Thanks,  just remember them coming up with the idea to stop the old guys who just withdrew.   Was looking at some other articles and saw that other majors appear to have an age restriction tied to the exemption period although not sure anyone would actually be exempt and meet the age limit.  

https://www.golfdigest.com/story/masters-2019-when-is-it-time-for-a-masters-champion-to-say-goodbye-to-the-masters#:~:text=Victors of the Open Championship,tournament in 1977 and 1981.

[GolfSpy_BNG]

3 hours ago, LICC said:

 

2019: That was when the membership began sending letters to some past champions—Gay Brewer and Billy Casper in addition to Ford—telling them they were always welcome at the Masters but perhaps they should just come for the Champions dinner and play the Par-3 Contest and practice rounds. The club also announced that it would, in future, ask past champions to stop playing after 65.

An uproar followed. Both Arnold Palmer and Jack Nicklaus, full-fledged club members (all champions are honorary members) asked the club to reconsider. 

I don’t doubt that there may not be an age limit but I am confused by this part of your post.  How did Palmer ask the club to reconsider in 2019?  He passed in 2016. 

[berkeleybob]

6 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:

I don’t doubt that there may not be an age limit but I am confused by this part of your post.  How did Palmer ask the club to reconsider in 2019?  He passed in 2016. 

It's one of the benefits of being a full-fledged club member.

[LICC]

12 hours ago, blackngold_blood said:

I don’t doubt that there may not be an age limit but I am confused by this part of your post.  How did Palmer ask the club to reconsider in 2019?  He passed in 2016. 

The article was from 2019. It was stating what happened in 2003

[Bang60]

Well a boy from down under WON the OPEN championship congratulations, came from behind and I had a feeling he would win but I'm not a gambling man so no bet. Would of been amazing if Tiger Rory etc had won but life's not like that, plus a reporter asked him if he was joining Liv as a rumor is spreading to that effect. He didn't answer the question so who knows, if he does I'd be surprised if it happens this year...

[sglj3]

On 7/8/2022 at 10:03 AM, TBS said:

Not sure if you were able to see this, but what was it like to watch someone finish on hole other than the 18th?

It was not that weird on day one and two but on day three the top six players teed off in two groups on hole one so they all could finish on 18. So for those finishing in my hole, hole 10, it seemed a bit anticlimactic. 

[Stuka44]

On 7/14/2022 at 9:39 AM, LICC said:

"The PGA Tour has every right to oppose its members appearing in unranked, unapproved junk that will compromise or dilute the quality of the game"

I believe the PGA is going to be in for a big surprise.  The PGA has long been the biggest part of golf (99.99%).  But the PGA is NOT the game of Golf.  Have they done more up until this point in time for the game, without question they have.  Has just doing whatever they wanted, and no competition,  given them the impression that they ARE THE GAME, it certainly has.

But as hard for it is for them to accept, they are NOT the game of golf.  They are a company who up until now has held the only means for people who play golf really well to make a living at it.  I believe that the justice department will find that to have rules in place, that squash competition, and threaten your emloyees  with financial, and other  penalties for seeking a better job, will violate anti-trust, or some other federal employment standard.

The PGA through theats and coercion, are trying to keep its employees, indebted, and borderline hostage to the PGA.  About the only thing separating the PGA, from the coal industry of the late 1800's is that at least the PGA is not paying its players in "script", which then had to be used "at the company store", so the money all went right back to the mine owners. 

Make no mistake for all its talk, the game of golf is still an "Elitist snobbish game", you are seeing it from Monahan and whoever is in charge of the R&A.  They are NOT PROTECTING THE GAME OF GOLF, they are trying to protect their greed, and their monopoly, on a BILLION dollar a year industry.    They clearly don't care about me, because I haven't gotten my questionarre from the PGA as to if I would like to see all these guys play on both, becasue I would.

Edited July 18, 2022 by stuka44

[Shapotomous]

I wonder how much of a bump in a signing bonus Cam Smith will get offered today compared to 1 week ago.  Just what is a current Open victory worth to LIV.... $100M maybe?

[GolfSpy_APH]

21 minutes ago, Shapotomous said:

I wonder how much of a bump in a signing bonus Cam Smith will get offered today compared to 1 week ago.  Just what is a current Open victory worth to LIV.... $100M maybe?

Would suck for him if he signed before and would loose out on what he could have gotten now that he is a major winner. 

[GolfSpy_APH]

40 minutes ago, stuka44 said:

I believe the PGA is going to be in for a big surprise.  The PGA has long been the biggest part of golf (99.99%).  But the PGA is NOT the game of Golf.  Have they done more up until this point in time for the game, without question they have.  Has just doing whatever they wanted, and no competition,  given them the impression that they ARE THE GAME, it certainly has.

But as hard for it is for them to accept, they are NOT the game of golf.  They are a company who up until now has held the only means for people who play golf really well to make a living at it.  I believe that the justice department will find that to have rules in place, that squash competition, and threaten your emloyees  with financial, and other  penalties for seeking a better job, will violate anti-trust, or some other federal employment standard.

The PGA through theats and coercion, are trying to keep its employees, indebted, and borderline hostage to the PGA.  About the only thing separating the PGA, from the coal industry of the late 1800's is that at least the PGA is not paying its players in "script", which then had to be used "at the company store", so the money all went right back to the mine owners. 

Make no mistake for all its talk, the game of golf is still an "Elitist snobbish game", you are seeing it from Monahan and whoever is in charge of the R&A.  They are NOT PROTECTING THE GAME OF GOLF, they are trying to protect their greed, and their monopoly, on a BILLION dollar a year industry.    They clearly don't care about me, because I haven't gotten my questionarre from the PGA as to if I would like to see all these guys play on both, becasue I would.

How are the PGA any different, better or worse (likely better as they are a member run association) then any other professional sport? NBA, NHL, MLB, NFL and the other major sports? All have similar structure in they are the pinnicle of the sport. They are not the monopoly, there is the DP World Tour, Asian Tour, KFC and other tours much like the NBA has Euro leagues, Asian leagues, G league. If anything the PGA Tour and the members that make it up are better off because the players are the tour and have a larger say where NBA have to go through collective bargaining against multibillionaire owners. 

LIV leads to a fractured golf world where we won't see all the best in one place excpet for a couple times a year at majors. They have no feeder league or program, it is just a inviitational... so how will that be any better if you get one someones bad side and get the boot just because he doesn't like you anymore? Make no mistake LIV has significantly greater risk at becoming a dictatorship then the PGA will ever be and also has a much higher risk at blowing up and folding into nothing in a instant. 

The PGA should go to PGL and ask for support and work with them, that I am all in for. However LIV is not that or the long term answer as it is by no means a sustainable business model, nor is it meant or built to be. 

[RickyBobby_PR]

45 minutes ago, stuka44 said:

Make no mistake for all its talk, the game of golf is still an "Elitist snobbish game", you are seeing it from Monahan and whoever is in charge of the R&A.  They are NOT PROTECTING THE GAME OF GOLF, they are trying to protect their greed, and their monopoly, on a BILLION dollar a year industry.    They clearly don't care about me, because I haven't gotten my questionarre from the PGA as to if I would like to see all these guys play on both, becasue I would.

They don’t have a monopoly. There are a bunch of golf tours. They have the best product and thus the best players. They are protecting their product just like any other company/brand would do to protect theirs from a competitor.

If you think they don’t care about you because you siding get an imaginary questionnaire about a question something they aren’t going to let happen to protect their business, you might be a little too high on the soap box.

 

[LICC]

1 hour ago, stuka44 said:

I believe the PGA is going to be in for a big surprise.  The PGA has long been the biggest part of golf (99.99%).  But the PGA is NOT the game of Golf.  Have they done more up until this point in time for the game, without question they have.  Has just doing whatever they wanted, and no competition,  given them the impression that they ARE THE GAME, it certainly has.

But as hard for it is for them to accept, they are NOT the game of golf.  They are a company who up until now has held the only means for people who play golf really well to make a living at it.  I believe that the justice department will find that to have rules in place, that squash competition, and threaten your emloyees  with financial, and other  penalties for seeking a better job, will violate anti-trust, or some other federal employment standard.

The PGA through theats and coercion, are trying to keep its employees, indebted, and borderline hostage to the PGA.  About the only thing separating the PGA, from the coal industry of the late 1800's is that at least the PGA is not paying its players in "script", which then had to be used "at the company store", so the money all went right back to the mine owners. 

Make no mistake for all its talk, the game of golf is still an "Elitist snobbish game", you are seeing it from Monahan and whoever is in charge of the R&A.  They are NOT PROTECTING THE GAME OF GOLF, they are trying to protect their greed, and their monopoly, on a BILLION dollar a year industry.    They clearly don't care about me, because I haven't gotten my questionarre from the PGA as to if I would like to see all these guys play on both, becasue I would.

This argument that the PGA Tour is trying to stop its employees from playing for a competitor is just false. The Tour has not sued or even threatened to stop anyone from playing for LIV. The Tour is saying that if you go play for LIV, you no longer play in Tour events. The players have a choice.

Of course the Tour is protecting its business from a predatory opponent. LIV is not competing based on market success or failure. The LIV model of business would never survive financially on its own. Its backers know it will not make any profit and that is not their purpose.