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On 4/20/2020 at 10:30 AM, cnosil said:

I just read the article and it states that strokes gained is calculated for each driver independently and isn’t a comparison against other drivers in the test.

 

The test results are only for the current year. They don’t mix in prior year results. There is a plan to test previous winners against this years, but due to restrictions any testing not involving staff has been postponed.

As I posted above (#128), I still don't fully understand how they calculated strokes gained. It seems to me, they looked at whether or not that particular driver would help out the group of testers as a whole rather than the specific targeted group for that club. Based on the results, my guess is the test included people of all abilities, but was probably dominated in quantity by mid to low handicappers with high swing speeds, thus you end up with a low launch, low spin G410 LST "winning". Had the testing been done with a bunch of 15-25 handicappers with moderate swing speeds and a slice, the G410 SFT might have "won" instead of ending up close to last in strokes gained. 

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As I posted above (#128), I still don't fully understand how they calculated strokes gained. It seems to me, they looked at whether or not that particular driver would help out the group of testers as a whole rather than the specific targeted group for that club. Based on the results, my guess is the test included people of all abilities, but was probably dominated in quantity by mid to low handicappers with high swing speeds, thus you end up with a low launch, low spin G410 LST "winning". Had the testing been done with a bunch of 15-25 handicappers with moderate swing speeds and a slice, the G410 SFT might have "won" instead of ending up close to last in strokes gained. 


I don’t have the exact way it is calculated but It is the basic strokes gained formula that applies to all golfers.

Yes the initial results are for the pool as a whole and is based on the driver that works best for the largest percentage of members of the test pool

The tester pool is pretty diverse and I would say probably more weighted toward the older slower swinging group with low to mid teen handicaps. The younger guys are at work all day.

MGS also breaks down the driver results by swing speed but they haven’t release those numbers yet.
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I don’t have the exact way it is calculated but It is the basic strokes gained formula that applies to all golfers.

Yes the initial results are for the pool as a whole and is based on the driver that works best for the largest percentage of members of the test pool

The tester pool is pretty diverse and I would say probably more weighted toward the older slower swinging group with low to mid teen handicaps. The younger guys are at work all day.

MGS also breaks down the driver results by swing speed but they haven’t release those numbers yet.

Very much looking forward to those when they’re released. It surprised me last year to see how the results change for different groups.

I’m also looking forward to the CG labs report because I’m a bit of a nerd and enjoy looking at that data.


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On 4/20/2020 at 11:20 AM, Camille Bissarro said:

Interesting that the Z785 is a couple of seasons old now, and still places 5th in terms of strokes gained, ball speed, and total distance. It makes sense, but if I'm reading the results correctly it also appears to perform well in @jwlong410's analysis. I may be biased, but it's a totally underrated club.

It may not be relevant, but I'm wondering if any of the differences in the MGS results are statistically significant?

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For those that tried the Ben Hogan GS53 Is it not the longest, straightest and most forgiving driver you’ve hit. Definitely has been for me and I’m a 16 handicap hitting it 300 plus. 

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I was under the impression that "Low Spin" Drivers were meant for better players (who typically have higher swing speeds) so I was surprised to see the Ping G410 LST as the runner up in the slow swing speed category. Similarly the Callaway Mavrik Subs (Max and Zero) were ranked in the top 5 and significantly outperformed the regular Callaway Mavrik at slow swing speeds.

Do I have the wrong understanding of who "Low Spin" drivers are for? Don't a lot of tour players use those models? What am I missing about the benefit/goal of the low spin technology?

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22 minutes ago, BLW15 said:

I was under the impression that "Low Spin" Drivers were meant for better players (who typically have higher swing speeds) so I was surprised to see the Ping G410 LST as the runner up in the slow swing speed category. Similarly the Callaway Mavrik Subs (Max and Zero) were ranked in the top 5 and significantly outperformed the regular Callaway Mavrik at slow swing speeds.

Do I have the wrong understanding of who "Low Spin" drivers are for? Don't a lot of tour players use those models? What am I missing about the benefit/goal of the low spin technology?

You're not wrong, just disconnect your association of high swing speeds with high spin.  

Higher spin is a product of angle of attack / approach.  Yes, there are many players with a higher swing speed who have a steeper angle of attack into contact that will put a lot of spin on the ball.  There are also golfers with slower speeds who get steep into the ball prior to and through impact.  It makes sense that it would be just for higher swing speeds but this club certainly benefits those who aren't ripping bombs.

For fun, take a look at DJ and Lee Westwood.  These two have very flat angles of attack and need more loft to help with getting the ball up in the air.  Very high swing speeds but no need for a low-spin option.

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Recently I've been motivated to upgrade my shaft and spend the extra money on something I really like but my wallet doesn't appreciate wasted investments. Have you tried an aftermarket shaft upgrade?


I forked out $500 for a Mitsubishi Tensei ck Pro white 60 TX shaft that I’m still waiting on to arrive...

If I ever get the damn thing (fitting was 6/6) I’ll post a full report after 20 rounds or so with it. Hard not to feel like I set $500 on fire since it’s been so long.
I should probably post about how it forced me to learn to hit my 3 wood and now I love it...


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